Kaysville, UT homeowners show up in large numbers to oppose warming center

[Whiskey]

Therefore, it would be fair to say that I think I know what the people of Kaysville think WWJD and I think I know they are not acting according to the values that they profess.

On the other hand, maybe the people of Kaysville subscribe to the version of "What would Jesus do?" expounded by MG, which ran more or less "In modern times you don't have to take what Jesus said literally anymore, because nowadays there are mitigating circumstances."

So far as I can see, for the people of Kaysville the "mitigating circumstances" applicable today (but not around 30 AD when Jesus taught) consist mainly in the fact that quite a lot of Jesus' followers nowadays have expensive homes in nice suburbs. So Jesus would understand that if doing what he said might lead to a fall in property values, they are not expected to do what he said they should do.

And also mainly crack.

[Gadianton]

I was talking to someone from Kaysville yesterday. I says, hey,

In the same way that no tape measure represents exactly one foot, they're all off by at least a few atoms, there is no such thing as the beliefs of the people of Kaysville about Jesus or anything else. Likewise, there is no such thing as a person from Kaysville either, so obviously you weren't talking to a person from Kaysville. I used to make these same kinds of arguments when I was like, eleven. Somebody would say they saw the same bike as mine and I'd inform them that this was not so because there must be some difference at the molecular level. You think you're clever, but consider how annoying you think that I am, and now imagine how annoying I must have been as an eleven-year-old. And realize that this is you, now, at like fifty-something.

[Gadianton]

And also mainly crack.

More like methamphetamine.

[Gadianton]

On the other hand, maybe the people of Kaysville subscribe to the version of "What would Jesus do?" expounded by MG, which ran more or less "In modern times you don't have to take what Jesus said literally anymore, because nowadays there are mitigating circumstances."

So far as I can see, for the people of Kaysville the "mitigating circumstances" applicable today (but not around 30 AD when Jesus taught) consist mainly in the fact that quite a lot of Jesus' followers nowadays have expensive homes in nice suburbs. So Jesus would understand that if doing what he said might lead to a fall in property values, they are not expected to do what he said they should do.

I think you are absolutely right. I do think they can easily be checkmated though. How many times do you think MG has heard a real-life story in Sacrament meeting about somebody helping the poor in a way that included bearing at least as much personal risk and cost as any of the protesters bear by having a warming center in their community, and thought it was a great example of Christlike behavior?

[Whiskey]

I was talking to someone from Kaysville yesterday. I says, hey,

In the same way that no tape measure represents exactly one foot, they're all off by at least a few atoms, there is no such thing as the beliefs of the people of Kaysville about Jesus or anything else. Likewise, there is no such thing as a person from Kaysville either, so obviously you weren't talking to a person from Kaysville. I used to make these same kinds of arguments when I was like, eleven. Somebody would say they saw the same bike as mine and I'd inform them that this was not so because there must be some difference at the molecular level. You think you're clever, but consider how annoying you think that I am, and now imagine how annoying I must have been as an eleven-year-old. And realize that this is you, now, at like fifty-something.

What is your point? Nobody lives in Kaysville? I write like crap? You're trolling? What? Help me out here.

[Whiskey]

On the other hand, maybe the people of Kaysville subscribe to the version of "What would Jesus do?" expounded by MG, which ran more or less "In modern times you don't have to take what Jesus said literally anymore, because nowadays there are mitigating circumstances."

So far as I can see, for the people of Kaysville the "mitigating circumstances" applicable today (but not around 30 AD when Jesus taught) consist mainly in the fact that quite a lot of Jesus' followers nowadays have expensive homes in nice suburbs. So Jesus would understand that if doing what he said might lead to a fall in property values, they are not expected to do what he said they should do.

I think you are absolutely right. I do think they can easily be checkmated though. How many times do you think MG has heard a real-life story in Sacrament meeting about somebody helping the poor in a way that included bearing at least as much personal risk and cost as any of the protesters bear by having a warming center in their community, and thought it was a great example of Christlike behavior?

Not enough to think wbat MG tbinks. Now we need chap to know how many times MG has had an experience and a thought. Seems ambitious even for your priesthood, Gad. Keep us posted on your revelations. Thanks.

[bill4long]

I think you are absolutely right. I do think they can easily be checkmated though. How many times do you think MG has heard a real-life story in Sacrament meeting about somebody helping the poor in a way that included bearing at least as much personal risk and cost as any of the protesters bear by having a warming center in their community, and thought it was a great example of Christlike behavior?

Not enough to think wbat MG tbinks. Now we need chap to know how many times MG has had an experience and a thought. Seems ambitious even for your priesthood, Gad. Keep us posted on your revelations. Thanks.

That makes me giggle. The owner needs to add an emote clicker for the posts. I think phpBB can do it.

[malkie]

I was talking to someone from Kaysville yesterday. I says, hey,

In the same way that no tape measure represents exactly one foot, they're all off by at least a few atoms, there is no such thing as the beliefs of the people of Kaysville about Jesus or anything else. Likewise, there is no such thing as a person from Kaysville either, so obviously you weren't talking to a person from Kaysville. I used to make these same kinds of arguments when I was like, eleven. Somebody would say they saw the same bike as mine and I'd inform them that this was not so because there must be some difference at the molecular level. You think you're clever, but consider how annoying you think that I am, and now imagine how annoying I must have been as an eleven-year-old. And realize that this is you, now, at like fifty-something.

My dad used to amuse himself (and probably noboy else) with his reply whenever a bar tender asked him: "Same again?" "Not possible", says dad, "but I'd be happy to have something very similar."

[Morley]

My dad used to amuse himself (and probably noboy else) with his reply whenever a bar tender asked him: "Same again?" "Not possible", says dad, "but I'd be happy to have something very similar."

Even posthumously, he just now amused me.

[Physics Guy]

I don’t whether this should be reassuring or disturbing, but on a small enough scale things really can be the same. Two atoms of the same isotope, in the same electronic state, are mathematically identical. The qualifier “in the same electronic state” isn’t much of a weasel, either, because electronic states are discrete, and are ranked by energy in quite big steps, so that most atoms are in the same electronic state most of the time.

They’re not just indistinguishable in practice. They’re identical in the sense that switching them would not be a change, any more than it would be a change in a length of twelve inches if you switched inches seven and three. We know that they are identical in this logical sense from strong statistical evidence.

If you play a dice game like craps, you quickly learn that doubles are rarer throws. With two dice, there is only one way to throw 12: both dice need to be 6. There are two ways to get 11, though. You need one 5 and one 6, but there are two ways to get that: one die could be 5 and the other 6, or the other way round. So in a lot of throws, you get twice as many 11’s as 12’s.

It’s not like that with identical atoms. Instead, if atoms were dice, there would still only be one way to get 11, just as with 12, because switching which atom is 5 and which is 6 does not make a second possible case that can happen. And we can tell this from observing the motions of cold clouds of identical atoms. Lots of kinds of motional states of the cloud show up much less often than they should if switching atoms made a distinct situation.

This means that it is in fact possible to have the same drink again, or step in the same river twice. It’s just very unlikely.

Or maybe even not so unlikely. Can one sing the same song twice? Anyone who has driven with children knows Yes. It may be very unlikely to hear exactly the same rendition of the song twice, but to be the same song, only the words and the tune need to be the same, and those can indeed be duplicated indefinitely. There may be infinitely many styles of playing Yankee Doodle, or intonations in pronouncing “macaroni”, but they are all exactly the same word and tune, as long as they are the same phonemes and notes, because that’s all that “word” and “tune” mean.