Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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Pahoran wrote:I congratulate you on the success of your poison pen campaign. You must be very proud.

Hmm. You know, the words "poison pen campaign" weren't found anywhere in the e-mail I received today. The words "well-written," "well-argued," and "thank you" were.

It doesn't sound like the people at the Maxwell Institute agree with your assessment of this thread.

I wonder why that is.

Pahoran wrote:It's also especially unfortunate in that, by determinedly gleaning this handful of trash-talk instances out of thousands of posts, Auntie Jack seems to have managed to (at least temporarily) delayed publication of research to which the trash in question is entirely irrelevant.

The only thing I find unfortunate is that you seem to think so little of the Maxwell Institute for choosing to take concerns about misogyny in academia seriously. But, you are just one anonymous man on the Internet, so I doubt the MI is very concerned with your disdain for their decision.

by the way, this is really strange, maybe you could clear something up for me: I've been posting on Internet message boards for nearly thirteen years now, and only two people have ever referred to me as "Auntie Jack." One of them was FARMS Review of Books contributor (Moderator Note) in real life information deleted, who, in July of last year, registered an account by that name at the Mormon Apologetics & Discussion Board (now known as the Mormon Dialogue & Discussion Board) in order to address a situation that had come up involving him. The other is, just now, you.

Is there any chance (Moderator Note) in real life information deleted is someone you know? I mean, I find it hard to believe there's no connection here.

In any case, when he began calling me "Auntie Jack" last year, I politely and respectfully asked (Moderator Note) in real life information deleted not to refer to me by that nickname. I now make the same request of you.
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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MsJack wrote:The only thing I find unfortunate is that you seem to think so little of the Maxwell Institute for choosing to take concerns about misogyny in academia seriously. But, you are just one anonymous man on the Internet, so I doubt the MI is very concerned with your disdain for their decision.

by the way, this is really strange, maybe you could clear something up for me: I've been posting on Internet message boards for nearly thirteen years now, and only two people have ever referred to me as "Auntie Jack." One of them was FARMS Review of Books contributor (Moderator Note) in real life information deleted, who, in July of last year, registered an account by that name at the Mormon Apologetics & Discussion Board (now known as the Mormon Dialogue & Discussion Board) in order to address a situation that had come up involving him. The other is, just now, you.

Is there any chance (Moderator Note)in real life information deleted. is someone you know? I mean, I find it hard to believe there's no connection here.

In any case, when he began calling me "Auntie Jack" last year, I politely and respectfully asked (Moderator Note) in real life information deleted not to refer to me by that nickname. I now make the same request of you.


That's the best definition of the word "emasculated" that I have ever encountered.
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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Pahoran wrote:Since you asked: I am not part of any circle. I also think Will's use of trash-talk is inappropriate and in bad taste. It's also especially unfortunate in that, by determinedly gleaning this handful of trash-talk instances out of thousands of posts, Auntie Jack seems to have managed to (at least temporarily) delayed publication of research to which the trash in question is entirely irrelevant.

Regards,
Pahoran

Pahoran,

Please help me understand. Someone called into question, in a public forum, the behavior of a Mormon apologist; one who you freely admit has made wholly inappropriate comments in that same public forum. This calling into question has appeared to delay the publication of a "research paper" by the offending apologist and you are upset about that?

Are you serious?

Is Will's behavior really representative of the Mormon apologists that Mormons feel should be taken seriously by real academics?

Do you have any idea what would happen to a real academic who said the things that Will said about females (and especially about a specific named female), in a public forum?

Let me help you out. After they were sued for slander by the victim, they would be most likely be summarily dismissed their academic post, and be unlikely to find a position in academia again. No credible university would tolerate from its faculty for one minute the kind of behavior that Will has displayed, multiple times, on this board.

The fact that you are willing come on this public forum, where you are dealing with educated, non-delusional people who are allowed to express their opinions freely (unlike your normal haunt on the MADBoard) and make the kinds of statements that you have made above says it all when it comes to many (if not most) Mormon apologists and the folks who so eagerly and blindly support them.

You should take a break and think about what is going on here before you decide to continue in such a silly defense of an individual who is clearly unsuited for any kind of credible or useful contribution to apologetics.
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Pahoran wrote:It's also especially unfortunate in that, by determinedly gleaning this handful of trash-talk instances out of thousands of posts, Auntie Jack seems to have managed to (at least temporarily) delayed publication of research to which the trash in question is entirely irrelevant.
Regards, Pahoran


It seems to me that anyone from MI following William's posts in this thread alone would desire to distance themselves from him simply by the way he treats his fellow man. Of course we are not just talking about the way he treats critics, but the way he has attacked Loap and David B. over the years.

The guys a loose cannon, and has once again showed his arrogance and disregard for others. This on top of what Liz pointed out about his inability to keep things confidential and wildly implicates others in an effort to boost his own ego.

My bets are they kicked him to the curb because of his loose cannon aspect, not because of the vulgarity or misogyny. William is a threat to their individual reputations let-alone the institutions or the Church.
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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Pahoran wrote:
Doctor Scratch wrote:Hmm. Pahoran's appearance on this thread has got me wondering. Pah has published with FARMS, so maybe he's among the "circle of scholars" that Will mentioned earlier? I.e., Pahoran thinks this kind of misogynist behavior is amusing? It certainly wouldn't surprise me.

Since you asked: I am not part of any circle. I also think Will's use of trash-talk is inappropriate and in bad taste. It's also especially unfortunate in that, by determinedly gleaning this handful of trash-talk instances out of thousands of posts, Auntie Jack seems to have managed to (at least temporarily) delayed publication of research to which the trash in question is entirely irrelevant.

Regards,
Pahoran


Both are trash.
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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MsJack wrote:by the way, this is really strange, maybe you could clear something up for me: I've been posting on Internet message boards for nearly thirteen years now, and only two people have ever referred to me as "Auntie Jack."

Yes, I'm sure that your expression that this is so veddy veddy "strange" is every bit as honest, sincere and forthright as your pose of pure, disinterested, high-minded concern about "misogyny in academia."

Nobody has ever mastered the "sincerity technique" like you have.

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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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Kishkumen wrote:That's the best definition of the word "emasculated" that I have ever encountered.

Is it really?

How extraordinary!

by the way, is it true that you are (Personal details removed)

Regards,
Pahoran
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lol

Someone's knickers are in a twist over this.
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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And next in the batting order is ...
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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consiglieri wrote:
Pahoran wrote:I congratulate you on the success of your poison pen campaign. You must be very proud.


Do you want to post this news flash on the other board or should I?


Fair warning ... I posted a message basically saying "breaking the ice, check out the trailerpark Celestrial forum for the latest news, what say ye"

The thread appears to have been deleted and I've been banned.
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