Schryver's Article Is Going To Be Published, Somewhere?

[_Melchett]

My interest in most apologetic and critical work on the Book of Abraham is for entertainment only, and Will is certainly a source of entertainment in sort of a train wreck reality show kind of way.

I enjoy a good critical assessment of the Book of Abraham, and the KEPs, as this is an area that has to deal with an area of enlightenment that was unknown at the time of the 're-discovery'. I also like to see the apologists try to spin the 'extant' portions into something that has Egyptologists spinning on the floor.

Indeed. Someone out there is looking for a Jesse Ventura of LDS apologetics and I think he is eminently qualified for that role. I wish him the greatest success. I can think of few things more gratifying than watching William Schryver become an apologetic celebrity to outshine the rest of the field and turn it into a real personal money-making enterprise. I see books, films, soundtracks, tours, paid lectures, the whole Megillah.

I'm sure they do, but I don't think Will is really the person they want. in my opinion, he's bought into his own persona, and thinks the backslapping that could be going on is genuine. I noticed that DCP never stepped in to endorse or admonish - tainted goods are tainted goods - and I wouldn't think he would want to be dragged into something like that. I'm sure it is the general feeling that he could be a liability, but spun out in the correct way, he could be a poster boy for apologetics. That begs the question, do they want to have the new boy out there?

I'd really like to know who he's got lined up for publication, and if they are aware of the potential backlash that could follow.

[_Kishkumen]

I enjoy a good critical assessment of the Book of Abraham, and the KEPs, as this is an area that has to deal with an area of enlightenment that was unknown at the time of the 're-discovery'. I also like to see the apologists try to spin the 'extant' portions into something that has Egyptologists spinning on the floor.

I can understand that. I am bored with it at this point, but that was not always the case.

I'm sure they do, but I don't think Will is really the person they want. in my opinion, he's bought into his own persona, and thinks the backslapping that could be going on is genuine. I noticed that DCP never stepped in to endorse or admonish - tainted goods are tainted goods - and I wouldn't think he would want to be dragged into something like that. I'm sure it is the general feeling that he could be a liability, but spun out in the correct way, he could be a poster boy for apologetics. That begs the question, do they want to have the new boy out there?

I'd really like to know who he's got lined up for publication, and if they are aware of the potential backlash that could follow.

I would love to see Will sidestep the apologetic establishment and try to become an independent phenomenon. Who cares what the MI folk think? They are so outmoded. LDS people are itching for an exciting "theory" to add a new mystique to their starch-collared corporate boring church experience. Schryver can add that "Dan Brown" element and turn a buck for himself. It's a total win-win situation.

[_Melchett]

I would love to see Will sidestep the apologetic establishment and try to become an independent phenomenon. Who cares what the MI folk think? They are so outmoded. LDS people are itching for an exciting "theory" to add a new mystique to their starch-collared corporate boring church experience. Schryver can add that "Dan Brown" element and turn a buck for himself. It's a total win-win situation.

I wouldn't like to see Mr Schryver turn a buck for himself, given his attitude toward women, but I would like to see what he has written, and have it judged by a catholic group of experts on both sides of the fence. I would like to know his views on whether or not he believes that the extant portions (including woodcuts) are the basis of Joseph Smith's translations, and the evidence therein, and his findings to support that, or there is proof positive that there is more on the alleged missing pieces.

I'm sure the LDS are hoping for someone to add the 'Dan Brown' magic, but I do not feel that they have their ground prepared as yet. He could be their sacrificial lamb in order to do that. What would be needed is a 'killer' work of fiction that could propel it into public consciousness, and Will isn't a 'real' fiction writer. If anything, at the very most it would be a "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" work, where someone else can use his work as a base.

I'll guess at an 'indie' or vanity publisher for his work, and lead toward and independent. He comes with some free publicity, courtesy of the good people here. Unfortunately.

[_Kishkumen]

I wouldn't like to see Mr Schryver turn a buck for himself, given his attitude toward women, but I would like to see what he has written, and have it judged by a catholic group of experts on both sides of the fence.

Who is going to take the apologists at BYU out to lunch, if Schryver isn't turning a buck?

If anything, at the very most it would be a "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" work, where someone else can use his work as a base.

Oh sure. But it's not like Dan Brown is all that great. Certainly Will is a master fantasist, and he probably writes better than Dan Brown anyway.

I'll guess at an 'indie' or vanity publisher for his work, and lead toward and independent. He comes with some free publicity, courtesy of the good people here. Unfortunately.

Come now. We can't be all that bad for having fun with this.

[_Melchett]

Who is going to take the apologists at BYU out to lunch, if Schryver isn't turning a buck?

I'm sure there is money in IT, and aren't the bestest friends the ones you pay for? Especially when you don't need to explain 'refreshments'.

Oh sure. But it's not like Dan Brown is all that great. Certainly Will is a master fantasist, and he probably writes better than Dan Brown anyway.

My cat probably comes up with something better than 'insert plot/character here'. in my opinion, Will wants recognition within his 'peers', and possibly beyond. Whether it stands up to scrutiny by real Egyptologists remains to be seen, but I would like to see his work.

Come now. We can't be all that bad for having fun with this.

Not at all. Will, for all his faults, is a big boy, although his humour is below juvenile. I took the time to read the rather long thread that could have been ended with an apology at any time. It still stands that this could be another Hamblin and Metcalfe. Will, in my opinion, is still running toward the gate with the petard in his grasp.

Will's work on The Book of Abraham? Suck until the marrow runs dry.

[_Kishkumen]

in my opinion, Will wants recognition within his 'peers', and possibly beyond. Whether it stands up to scrutiny by real Egyptologists remains to be seen, but I would like to see his work.

Oh, well, I think you have him pegged with the "recognition" observation.

I took the time to read the rather long thread that could have been ended with an apology at any time. It still stands that this could be another Hamblin and Metcalfe. Will, in my opinion, is still running toward the gate with the petard in his grasp.

Will's work on The Book of Abraham? Suck until the marrow runs dry.

I think it is interesting that you are so fascinated by Will's theories regarding the Book of Abraham. I saw little there that wasn't ultimately an overly complicated plea to believe that Joseph Smith did something that can't ultimately be demonstrated through historical or textual analysis. The fact that there were Masonic characters in the work was an interesting observation, OK, but it seems to me that Kevin Graham has shown pretty clearly that a lot of what Will has done is simply to piggyback off of Chris Smith and others without giving them any recognition at all.

What it appears to me that Will truly excels at is self-promotion. And this is no mean talent. This is why I urge him to turn all of this into a kind of profitable enterprise, because it is in making others think that he is holding something valuable and deeply interesting behind his back that he outstrips the competition. That is worth real cash.

[_Buffalo]

Will recently announced that his "book" will be published as a series of articles in this fine publication:

[_KimberlyAnn]

Where is the portion of Will's book that he said would be posted to MDD?

When asked about the promised portion, Will responded:

Go away Chrissy.

We've already picked teams for this game, and no one wanted you. So go back to your home board and do whatever it is you do there.

Will feminized Chris's name with the intent of insulting him. No surprise there....

Yes, come back home to momma, cksalmon, and perhaps we can find Will's "book" later. Maybe at Bass Pro where we can also pick up the real elf that Annie wants for Christmas.

KA

[_Melchett]

What it appears to me that Will truly excels at is self-promotion. And this is no mean talent. This is why I urge him to turn all of this into a kind of profitable enterprise, because it is in making others think that he is holding something valuable and deeply interesting behind his back that he outstrips the competition. That is worth real cash.

Well said! A work of 'proper' fiction based in some shady facts. An unsung 'academical', say, discovering some truth about the three Lamenites in ancient papyri. Cue round the world adventures with a shady anti-LDS organisation trying to thwart at every turn.....

It would give Will a chance to bathe in the glory of the masses, with book tours, tv spots, a movie deal and documentaries on the History Channel and Discovery. He could turn his misogyny into an artistic quirk. There would be a clamour for the 'factual' books on the subject that gave him the inspiration to create his best seller. What could be better for his 'colleagues'?

[_Kishkumen]

Where is the portion of Will's book that he said would be posted to MDD?

When asked about the promised portion, Will responded:

Go away Chrissy.

We've already picked teams for this game, and no one wanted you. So go back to your home board and do whatever it is you do there.

Will feminized Chris's name with the intent of insulting him. No surprise there....

God bless that Will. He is all class. No wonder the MI couldn't wait to publish his phantom work.