What Do People Here Believe?

[Marcus]

How does a belief in god translate into a need to support falsehoods in a particular religion?

It wasn’t a “need”, it was a realization that what I once doubted was very possibly not a fabricated falsehood.

Again, go back and read what I said in context.

since I’ve already read what you said I don’t think I will. Here’s what I asked

But, since you’ve decided to engage, how do you reconcile the amazing coincidence that the religion in which you were already tightly enmeshed, which you were already "mimicking" and which you had clearly decided you had to stay in-- would turn out to be the world-wide best choice?

Not to mention that the issues surrounding the, to use your words, “fabricated farce” and the “faith of our fathers [being] false” are still there. Your arguments are typically so inconsistent and vague, which suggests that these issues aren’t satisfactorily resolved, even to you. How does a belief in god translate into a need to support falsehoods in a particular religion?

Your comment here doesn’t address the question:

Yes, you are correct that I was born into the LDS faith. It is this faith that makes extraordinary claims. If those claims are true then we have a religion that encompasses all truth, including truths found in other systems of belief.

It is THAT which I’m referring to. Investigating the truth claims of the LDS, in essence, saves a LOT of time wandering about looking for truth and being tossed to and fro.

What I’m hearing you say is that the convenience of sticking with what the people around you already believe outweighs actually considering the question. The “tossed to and fro” is more of your hubris.

Not that I didn’t contrast and compare.

no you didn’t. That’s obvious.

I decided to engage with you this time around because I think it is very important that folks hear what I’m saying vs. your reinterpretation, twisting, and manipulation of my words.

Sure, sure. But you’ve really backed yourself into a corner this time. This strategy of saying anything to support the conclusions you MUST reach in order to keep your family and social group happy makes much of what you say suspect.

[MG 2.0]

You’re such a dumb damned donkey. You sat there and pretended you went through this crucible and were somehow, with a gut wrenching faith crisis and you were the one that pulled through, because MG is speshul. You didn’t do jack crap, as evidenced by your - endless contradictions, ignorance to LDS doctrines and policies, , straight B.S. you spout when it suits you.

Man, you’re such a goddamned liar.

- Doc

And it all comes down to this.

Regards,
MG

[Schreech]

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Again, go back and read what I said in context. Yes, you are correct that I was born into the LDS faith. It is this faith that makes extraordinary claims. If those claims are true then we have a religion that encompasses all truth, including truths found in other systems of belief.

It is THAT which I’m referring to. Investigating the truth claims of the LDS, in essence, saves a LOT of time wandering about looking for truth and being tossed to and fro.

Lol. Guys, you aren’t getting it. The Mormon church claims to have all the truth so there is no reason to actually research other faiths on your own. The Mormon church has it all, according to the Mormon church. This might be the most Mormon thing I have ever read. Circular thinking, blind faith,mental gymnastics to confirm what he wants to believe, rationalizing ignorance, etc. elohim, this is sad.

Luckily mg was born into a church that claims to have all the truth and luckily he has been conditioned to take everything they say at face value. It has saved him a LOT of time actually learning about the truth claims of other religions - the Mormon church has it all! This is hilarious considering the truth claims of most other religions are in direct opposition to the “truth” claims of the Mormon church.

[Schreech]

You’re such a dumb damned donkey. You sat there and pretended you went through this crucible and were somehow, with a gut wrenching faith crisis and you were the one that pulled through, because MG is speshul. You didn’t do jack crap, as evidenced by your - endless contradictions, ignorance to LDS doctrines and policies, , straight B.S. you spout when it suits you.

Man, you’re such a goddamned liar.

- Doc

And it all comes down to this.

Regards,
MG

Agreed.

[MG 2.0]

Here’s what I asked…

Blah, blah, blah…

I’m going to go ahead and let my words/posts stand for themselves. Readers can compare and contrast the merits of my words, in their entirety, vs. the words and interlocutions of others.

Enough time spent on this thread…although if I hear something from someone who has something to say that tickles my curiosity or pushes me to add anything that would, in good faith, prod me to add to what has already been said, I may jump back in.

I think I’m done with those that I’ve been talking with up to this point though. Not much more, if anything, to be said with/to these folks. They have their say. I have mine. They will have the last word.

I’m cool with that.

Regards,
MG

[Schreech]

Here’s what I asked…

Blah, blah, blah…

I’m going to go ahead and let my words/posts stand for themselves. Readers can compare and contrast the merits of my words, in their entirety, vs. the words and interlocutions of others.

Enough time spent on this thread…although if I hear something from someone who has something to say that tickles my curiosity or pushes me to add anything that would, in good faith, prod me to add to what has already been said, I may jump back in.

I think I’m done with those that I’ve been talking with up to this point though. Not much more, if anything, to be said with/to these folks. They have their say. I have mine. They will have the last word.

I’m cool with that.

Regards,
MG

I’m going to amend my previous comment:

This might be the most Mormon thing I have ever read. Circular thinking, blind faith, mental gymnastics to confirm what he wants to believe, rationalizing ignorance, acting like nobody understands his jumbled “thoughts” because they haven’t read them carefully enough, running away when confronted with the logical inconsistencies of his beliefs, etc. elohim, this is sad.

Have a great day MG!

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

MG > some BS vague story about his “doubts”

MG > can’t provide specifics, maintains vague allusions to his “trials”

MG >


- Doc

[dastardly stem]

Nice try.

And I won’t fault you for that.

Regards,
MG

But you fault me for putting words in your mouth when I did not? Well, that's nice.

I think I was pretty fair with your words. In what way did I misrepresent you?

[Marcus]

Here’s what I asked…

Blah, blah, blah…

please don’t misquote me. It’s rude, and you do it regularly.

Here’s what I asked

But, since you’ve decided to engage, how do you reconcile the amazing coincidence that the religion in which you were already tightly enmeshed, which you were already "mimicking" and which you had clearly decided you had to stay in-- would turn out to be the world-wide best choice?

Not to mention that the issues surrounding the, to use your words, “fabricated farce” and the “faith of our fathers [being] false” are still there. Your arguments are typically so inconsistent and vague, which suggests that these issues aren’t satisfactorily resolved, even to you. How does a belief in god translate into a need to support falsehoods in a particular religion?

I’m going to go ahead and let my words/posts stand for themselves...

Of course. You’ve been uncharacteristically straightforward in this thread, and explained much of your behavior that prior to this simply looked irrational.

…although if I hear something from someone who has something to say that tickles my curiosity or pushes me to add anything that would, in good faith, prod me to add to what has already been said, I may jump back in.

There’s that hubris again. Dr. Steuss may have another favorite juxtaposition.

I think I’m done with those that I’ve been talking with up to this point though. Not much more, if anything, to be said with/to these folks.

Now you find discretion? Too late, dude. You really spilled the beans this time.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Noooooooo! MG tried to warn us! He said he had doubts and overcame them!! AAAAARGH. Why didn’t overcome my doubts, too?!? Aaaaaaaaah! Nooooooooo. MG said he compared and contrasted! Aaaaaaaaaah.. DUMB. I WAS SO DUMB. He said he thought about things, and the Mormon church was true! Aaaaaaaaaaah! Why did I believe in the tight translation story?!? I was soooo off! It was the LOOSE GHOST COMMITTEE! Aaaaaaaah! Why did I let Deutero-Isaiah throw me for a looooooooop? Aaaaaaah. Why did I let the KJV anachronisms get to me??? Aaaaaaaaaah! MG said he gutted it out and found faith!!! AAAAARGH.

- Doc