Not at all. You are the one disallowing their divine and supernatural abilities. You’re the one that doesn’t really believe in their Seership.MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:10 pmYou have made a conscious decision to disallow for prophets and apostles of the LDS Church to act as stewards of the Keys of the Kingdom and all that this would entail. I would expect that you would have a certain view of what apostles and prophets should do in order to protect your worldview and disbelief.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:53 pmHow can they not be? Stop belittling your leaders special powers. They’re Prophets, Seers, and Revelators. Those attributes remove them as “men of their time” and make them “men of the future”. Unless you’re saying they don’t really get special insight, in which case they aren’t Prophets, Seers, and Revelators.
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Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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So you are saying that hymn doesn’t suit your Utah ‘culture’(whatever that means), and that Mormon’s in Africa worship differently to Mormon’s in Utah? Really?
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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And what I've saying, again, is that you are not the judge.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:13 pmNot at all. You are the one disallowing their divine and supernatural abilities. You’re the one that doesn’t really believe in their Seership.MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:10 pmYou have made a conscious decision to disallow for prophets and apostles of the LDS Church to act as stewards of the Keys of the Kingdom and all that this would entail. I would expect that you would have a certain view of what apostles and prophets should do in order to protect your worldview and disbelief.
Are you a Christian? If you are, I think that is important to know. Why? Because I think that if you are you might come at this from a different perspective than if say, you are a secular humanist or an atheist.
In other words, why is your opinion to be valued as being 'the truth' or to supersede someone else's? You seem to think you are coming from a place of authority. What authority?
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I think you mean “I’m” not “I’ve”. And I’m pointing out the meaning of what you’re saying, I’m not judging you for it.MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:19 pmAnd what I've saying, again, is that you are not the judge.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:13 pmNot at all. You are the one disallowing their divine and supernatural abilities. You’re the one that doesn’t really believe in their Seership.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I think that this hymn doesn't naturally fit within the culture of Saints in what has been the traditional make up of the church in North America. Not that it couldn't. In fact, as I've said, I think it would be pretty cool of we could sing this hymn and get behind it and enjoy singing it. Amazing Grace has caught on even though it comes from a different 'religious culture' of early America. What I'm saying is that I think it is great that the hymnal is becoming more international and ecumenical in the songs that we now have the opportunity and sing.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:14 pmSo you are saying that hymn doesn’t suit your Utah ‘culture’(whatever that means), and that Mormon’s in Africa worship differently to Mormon’s in Utah? Really?
This particular hymn is originally a product/outgrowth of a culture that hasn't been 'the norm' within LDS culture in Utah. I think it will catch on.
You go into the typical Southern Baptist Church and you'll hear 'praise music', a different kind of worship that Latter-day Saints are not used to. Just as if you went into the same service at the Baptist church you may not hear some of the hymns that are included in the LDS hymnal.
Both Christian, both different. Remember the Arby's commercial from years back? Different is GOOD!
If you are a Christian, what types/kinds of music to you use/have in your worship services?
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Thank you for that small correction. Sometimes I don't fully proofread everything.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:20 pmI think you mean “I’m” not “I’ve”. And I’m pointing out the meaning of what you’re saying, I’m not judging you for it.
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Gotta say, you're doing a darn good job of asking questions but not so good at answering. Correcting grammar and ignoring questions.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:20 pmI think you mean “I’m” not “I’ve”. And I’m pointing out the meaning of what you’re saying, I’m not judging you for it.
Why is that? (another question)
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It sounds like what he's saying is quite a bit worse. He's apparently defining "cultural background and forms of worship" by something distinctly different from "background" and "forms". But, he surely knows that is what he's doing, which means he is just doing it to provoke.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:14 pmSo you are saying that hymn doesn’t suit your Utah ‘culture’(whatever that means), and that Mormon’s in Africa worship differently to Mormon’s in Utah? Really?
The link above also gives some interesting insight as to why people might do things like this:...One way of detecting online trolling involves looking out for patterns of speech or words associated with trolling activity. These include behaviors such as...[making] false claims or [using] inflammatory language designed to provoke a reaction from their targets—all tactics intended to disrupt conversation....
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And some helpful advice in recognizing thus behavior:...[A] key factor driving online trolling is perceived power and control.
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Has this blogger been reading here???!!!!...[P]ay close attention to how often the same user makes questionable remarks on controversial topics; this could indicate a troll engaging in “trolling-by-volume” tactics—frequently posting provocative messages designed to draw out negative reactions from other participants in order to disrupt conversation flow...

Anyway, back to the song. I used to sing in a Catholic choir, we regularly sang spirituals, but our choir director was a pro. He sought out arrangements that captured the original as closely as possible, and then he spent considerable time training us to sing them in the way they were intended. It was like taking a college course in music theory--for free!
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Do you agree with the lyrics? Do you live so that God can use you?MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:27 pmI think that this hymn doesn't naturally fit within the culture of Saints in what has been the traditional make up of the church in North America. Not that it couldn't. In fact, as I've said, I think it would be pretty cool of we could sing this hymn and get behind it and enjoy singing it. Amazing Grace has caught on even though it comes from a different 'religious culture' of early America. What I'm saying is that I think it is great that the hymnal is becoming more international and ecumenical in the songs that we now have the opportunity and sing.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:14 pmSo you are saying that hymn doesn’t suit your Utah ‘culture’(whatever that means), and that Mormon’s in Africa worship differently to Mormon’s in Utah? Really?
This particular hymn is originally a product/outgrowth of a culture that hasn't been 'the norm' within LDS culture in Utah. I think it will catch on.
You go into the typical Southern Baptist Church and you'll hear 'praise music', a different kind of worship that Latter-day Saints are not used to. Just as if you went into the same service at the Baptist church you may not hear some of the hymns that are included in the LDS hymnal.
Both Christian, both different. Remember the Arby's commercial from years back? Different is GOOD!
If you are a Christian, what types/kinds of music to you use/have in your worship services?
Regards,
MG
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Yep. Do you? (another question...)I Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 7:05 pmDo you agree with the lyrics? Do you live so that God can use you?MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:27 pm
I think that this hymn doesn't naturally fit within the culture of Saints in what has been the traditional make up of the church in North America. Not that it couldn't. In fact, as I've said, I think it would be pretty cool of we could sing this hymn and get behind it and enjoy singing it. Amazing Grace has caught on even though it comes from a different 'religious culture' of early America. What I'm saying is that I think it is great that the hymnal is becoming more international and ecumenical in the songs that we now have the opportunity and sing.
This particular hymn is originally a product/outgrowth of a culture that hasn't been 'the norm' within LDS culture in Utah. I think it will catch on.
You go into the typical Southern Baptist Church and you'll hear 'praise music', a different kind of worship that Latter-day Saints are not used to. Just as if you went into the same service at the Baptist church you may not hear some of the hymns that are included in the LDS hymnal.
Both Christian, both different. Remember the Arby's commercial from years back? Different is GOOD!
If you are a Christian, what types/kinds of music to you use/have in your worship services?
Regards,
MG
Regards,
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