She stated that she had already spent $20,000, and that was before filing her latest claim, which she is doing without legal assistance.
Her claim sounds very anecdotal. We need hard evidence.
John Dehlin will just dip into the Open Stories Foundation coffers. His reputation is probably what worries him most. His claim seems to be largely evidence based.
He needs hard evidence, not just a narrative. There's a couple screenshots in the document, and a ton of speculation and assertions without evidence to back them up. A good judge will skip over the assertions and go straight to the evidence.
If it's just he said/she said, that shouldn't be enough to convince an unbiased judge of anything.
Having the only exhibit being a link to a youtube video is incredibly weaksauce and lazy on the part of Dehlin's lawyers.
It is so rare for an employer to countersue a former employee in response to a harassment/discrimination/retaliation complaint. They all want to do it, but they usually listen to solid legal advice from their attorneys and decide against it. I've seen it a few times in California, and each time resulted in a successful anti-SLAPP motions, with the employer paying the other side's attorneys fees and costs.
Employers want to do this because it gives them leverage. It's kind of like the Donald Trump strategy when being hit -- always hit back. In most cases, however, it doesn't provide the leverage they think and can often backfire. Trump can sometimes get away with it because he has deep pockets.
Not commenting on the merits of this matter or the countersuit. But I suspect Open Stories Foundation doesn't have deep pockets and that Jenn Kamp doesn't either. The whole think seems like a complete waste of time and resources. What is Open Stories Foundation's annual income. (I know I could check, but I'm lazy.) A successful lawsuit or counter claim will likely never result in any recovery, just bankruptcies.
I absolutely agree her case won't win, but I would be surprised if John's countersuit wins. Most likely both get dropped and they stop this pointless fight.
Did you listen to RFM's latest vlog about the lawsuit?
The judge isn't going to listen to his vlog. She's going to read the filing, which is here:
What a train wreck. I have a hard time listening to Jenn Kamp on that recording of the meeting. She and I must have grown up in different worlds.
"He disturbs the laws of his country, he forces himself upon women, and he puts men to death without trial.” ~Otanes on the monarch, Herodotus Histories 3.80.
I think the case is related to her unsubstantiated claims in a youtube video regarding John Dehlin.
She filed against John Dehlin first, and made a video about all of this. John Dehlin then counter-claimed. RFM beautifully reads the counter-claim and that's where all the negative stuff comes out against John Dehlin.
I wish them all the best. If this explodes more into battles unbecoming of us all, I'll be eating some popcorn, perhaps. I can't understand why he'd try to resurrect this after her lawsuit seemed to have died. "Now that everyone's forgotten about it and moved on, let's see if we can bring this crap back up and clear my name...."
Seems about as smart a move as hiring her in the first place, then apparently giving her raises after she failed to do her work and stole money. "What's that you say? She stole money from the company and hasn't done anything for weeks? Well that's the type of moxy we need around here. Let's give her a 33% raise."
If an employer gives a raise knowing of significant performance issues and theft, it will be difficult for the employer to credibly claim that the performance issues/theft were serious concerns. Poor performance and misconduct can be serious knocks against an employee. Giving that employee a raise despite those issues can be a serious knock against the employer.
He needs hard evidence, not just a narrative. There's a couple screenshots in the document, and a ton of speculation and assertions without evidence to back them up. A good judge will skip over the assertions and go straight to the evidence.
If it's just he said/she said, that shouldn't be enough to convince an unbiased judge of anything.
Having the only exhibit being a link to a youtube video is incredibly weaksauce and lazy on the part of Dehlin's lawyers.
It is so rare for an employer to countersue a former employee in response to a harassment/discrimination/retaliation complaint. They all want to do it, but they usually listen to solid legal advice from their attorneys and decide against it. I've seen it a few times in California, and each time resulted in a successful anti-SLAPP motions, with the employer paying the other side's attorneys fees and costs.
Employers want to do this because it gives them leverage. It's kind of like the Donald Trump strategy when being hit -- always hit back. In most cases, however, it doesn't provide the leverage they think and can often backfire. Trump can sometimes get away with it because he has deep pockets.
Not commenting on the merits of this matter or the countersuit. But I suspect Open Stories Foundation doesn't have deep pockets and that Jenn Kamp doesn't either. The whole think seems like a complete waste of time and resources. What is Open Stories Foundation's annual income. (I know I could check, but I'm lazy.) A successful lawsuit or counter claim will likely never result in any recovery, just bankruptcies.
Exactly. And it’s unlikely even if a judgment is made, that she will ever pay Dehlin a dime.
"He disturbs the laws of his country, he forces himself upon women, and he puts men to death without trial.” ~Otanes on the monarch, Herodotus Histories 3.80.
John essentially says "I don't feel safe working with the women I hire because Rosebud, Karah, K Money, and now Jenn respond emotionally to my decisions."
I think the common denominator here is John's inability to work with most of the women he hires. It doesn't have to rise to the level of abuse, but it's obvious after more than a decade of this, he is simply not able to work professionally with the women he hires.
The solution is pretty clear. John either needs to step aside and let women work within Mormon Stories outside of his control, or John needs to exclusively hire men.
Yeah, something is up there. Listening to Jenn Kamp talk about JD, I could tell that this was an unhealthy situation, and in her case I would say that a lot of the problem is two-way.
On JD’s side, I feel like saying to Jenn Kamp, “It’s a job and JD is your boss; if he tells you he isn’t happy with the job you are doing, the appropriate reaction is not to attack the boss for maybe ruining your dreams.”
Do your damn job. The one you were paid to do. Not the one you unilaterally tried to create for yourself in someone else’s organization.
"He disturbs the laws of his country, he forces himself upon women, and he puts men to death without trial.” ~Otanes on the monarch, Herodotus Histories 3.80.
Demanding a 24 hour notice prior to having to come into the office did it for me. She would have been canned in my office for that behavior and the secret recording should be "cause" for dismissal in pretty much any organization. Anyway, if his employment agreements don't have it, he should insert an "at-will" clause and that will make things a lot easier when it comes to firing someone like Jenn Kamp, miss tear machine. What a toxic person. I can't stand people who use tears to manipulate.
Myth is misused by the powerful to subjugate the masses all too often.
