Mormonism's Greatest Downfall.

[_why me]

In your argument against horny toadism I can see a point in that direction, Joe married married women and then turned them back to their husbands. The reasons for that could be many. Maybe they weren't a good lay. Maybe they weren't as pretty. Maybe he was afraid of the husbands but brave enough to lay with them at least once and taste the goods. I don't know the real reasons.

But I do know that no matter which way you look at this practice of polygamy and Joe's use of if it has every look of sinfulness and if that is horny toadism then it is horny toadism. I can take that stance. The stance I can't take is that all of this behavior is from God. There is no way that God sanctioned all this behavior. God, man, common sense, Mormon or Catholic knows what marriage is and what adultery is. This all makes more sense to claim this came from Satan masquerading as an "Angel of Light" than to say it comes from God.

Horny toadism was a term for the critics who were claiming that Joseph Smith was lustful and a sexaholic. It implies a horny toadism. I just don't see it that way. He married many women during a two year period before his death. Why? Because he got horny?? I don't think so. He obviously thought that this was something that was required by him to do. I see no evidence that he was excited by polygamy. I see just the opposite. I see no silava coming from his mouth as he went about marrying women as his plural wives. But I do see a man in a hurry. Why? What was driving him to do what he did? Did he have a suicide wish? Did he get the antsy pantsies?? He knew the problems that it would cause Emma. And we have section 132 in the D&C which is a look into God's mind or if a critic, Joseph Smith's mind.

But something was driving him forward.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Why Me,

Well let me put it this way. Apologists have no problem with Joseph Smith's sex life. It is the critics who seem to have the problem and who are reading much into it.

I think this is a good example of how belief can alter ones sense of integrity, morality, decency, truth, and goodness. Seems people will excuse pretty much anything if they believe (or convince themselves) God is at the helm.

Apologists don't have a problem. And so, is god one sick dude? No. But certainly people with agendas who see horny toadism in Joseph Smith's action seem to be a little perverted.

Who is perverted? Those who believe in faithfulness, marriage, fidelity, and honesty, the ones who love their partner and honor their vows? Or a God who seems to be utterly, completely absorbed with the sex life of Joseph Smith to the point of sending an angel with a drawn sword demanding Joseph Smith break the hearts of the daughters of God? A God who intervenes in the marriage of Joseph Smith to the point of telling him what girls and women he is to screw? A God who is truly obsessed with the sex lives of a handful of humans? A God who admits polygamy breaks the hearts of his daughters yet demands men break their hearts?

I mean seriously Why Me, you don't think this is a little strange to claim the God of the Universe is such a being? Again, is God as interested in the sex life of animals? What is it about human sexuality that creates this obsession in God?

Polygamy was instituted by god.

Funny how so many men claim this. I really don't like men blaming God for their indiscretions and cruelty.

He had his reasons.

Men have always created God in their image.

Joseph Smith during the period 1841 to 1843 began to marry many women. Why?

For the exact same reasons wealthy and powerful men have, throughout history claimed it is their right/duty/privilege to have multiple sexual partners. Joseph Smith is no different than all the other men who figure out a way to screw girls and women in the name of God.

sex???

And power.

Seems devotees of a sect, cult, or religion find ways to excuse their leader for anything and everything.

The excuses don't fly for anyone other than believers. Weird that one has to have faith to twist cruelty and lies into truth.

~td~

[_Yoda]

And we have section 132 in the D&C which is a look into God's mind or if a critic, Joseph Smith's mind.

The counsel to Emma in section 132 has always been problematic for me. It seems completely inconsistent with the rest of God's character. He tells Emma that she simply has to let Joseph marry these other women or be destroyed. He goes on to say that He has come up with this "principle" or "commandment" to "try you all".

It's like God is some type of sick sadist just throwing a trial out there to see what his chosen people will do with it. And for what purpose? For what end? That is never explained.

If you accept section 132 as the true word of God, then, as TD has stated, God becomes one sick SOB.

[_harmony]

If you accept section 132 as the true word of God, then, as TD has stated, God becomes one sick SOB.

Which is the #1 reason to feel quite comfortable saying God had nothing to do with Sec 132.

[_harmony]

Well let me put it this way. Apologists have no problem with Joseph Smith's sex life.

Apologists may have no problem with adultery, fornication, lying from the pulpit, and unrighteous dominion, but God does, and God will not be mocked.

And the way we know this is that Joseph was the only prophet whoever died before he'd lived out his life. God withdrew his protection and things went to hell in handbasket.

[_Dr. Shades]

And the way we know this is that Joseph was the only prophet whoever died before he'd lived out his life.

Well, there is evidence that Brigham Young died from arsenic poisoning.

[_harmony]

And the way we know this is that Joseph was the only prophet whoever died before he'd lived out his life.

Well, there is evidence that Brigham Young died from arsenic poisoning.

Really? Gotta link?

[_Pokatator]

I see no silava coming from his mouth as he went about marrying women as his plural wives.

You are one strange dude, where are you seeing his mouth saliva or no saliva? Stick with reality and you think critics are out on a limb.

But I do see a man in a hurry.

whyme, he had to be in a hurry to service that many wives. Maybe he was into that revolutionary sex, in other words, he was a minuteman.

Why? What was driving him to do what he did? Did he have a suicide wish? Did he get the antsy pantsies??

The door is still open for an insanity defense.

[_Dr. Shades]

Well, there is evidence that Brigham Young died from arsenic poisoning.

Really? Gotta link?

Who Done It? The Nagging Mystery of Brigham Young's Last Moments

[_harmony]

Who Done It? The Nagging Mystery of Brigham Young's Last Moments

So who is Ms X?