My First Post (why I'm here and the Gadianton Robbers)

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Henry McClean wrote:This is my 13th and final post on this message board. When I read in the rules that "anything goes," I was hoping to find a place on the internet for an open minded discussion. I opened the OP with a glimpse on where I stand on the Church just to give you all some context and most of you can't let go of that. My faith is very personal to me and my purpose in coming here was not to justify it to random people on the internet. I guarantee you that God exists. I question things about the Church. But you people here are closed minded or fixated enough on the subject that it is all you want to talk about. Talk about closed minded. Sophistry is alive and well. Whatever the truth may be, this much I know: this place is full of more negative energy than almost any place I've encountered on the internet. Finding this place and feeling like I fit in, to a certain extent, is a good wake up call to me that I need to get outside and feel the sunlight on my face from time to time.

I actually changed my mind on the church, going from TBM to apostate and atheist critic. Is that not open-minded enough for you?

At any rate, I'm willing to be convinced by you, provided you can show compelling argument and evidence to back up your positions.

I don't know if you were expecting people to agree with you just because you said so or what. Is that what you think "open-minded" means?

In terms of Secret Combinations, I suggest you people wake up. The U.S. government has been experimenting on its citizens since the early 1950s. The existence of MK Ultra and programs like it is verified as a matter of public record. The fact that groups like the Bilderbergs, the Council on Foreign Relations, and other groups meet periodically to direct their collective power towards specific goals is also a matter of public record. The fact that every Republican Presidential candidate between Nixon and Bush 2 attended the pagan ceremonies at Bohemian Grove is fairly well known. Did Mitt Romney go to Bohemian Grove? I don't know. But it would have been nice to compare notes but people couldn't stay on topic long enough to have a discussion about it. What about Elder Pace's memo in 1990 about Satanic Ritual Abuse in Utah? Before I knew anything about it, back in the early 90s, I was on a walk with my girlfriend near dusk in the gully below Tanner Park in Salt Lake (let's be honest, we were looking for a place to make out). We turned a corner and came upon a guy dressed like a freaking warlock. Tim the Enchanter's avatar from Monty Python is not far from what the guy looked like. As soon as he saw us, he turned into some trees in the opposite direction. We were creeped out and high-tailed it out of there. I could go on and on. This stuff exists and folks need to wake up to it. Go watch the movie Network. If you think that Howard Beale's "come to Jesus" talk with the shadowy figure in the movie is purely fictional, then you understand little about how mind control works.

"And all we've got to say to you is good-bye."

I doubt that's all you've got to say, but whatever. Let's see.

Bohemain Grove? Check.
Satanic Ritual Abuse? Check.
MK Ultra? Check.
Bilderbergs? Check.
Council on Foreign Relations? Check.
You saw a guy dressed as a warlock? Check.

With all these, you're still only half a conspiracy theorist. You left out the New World Order, FEMA death camps, and the fact that the Social Security Adminstration just ordered 174,000 hollow-point pistol rounds. Also, remember to look into the secret communist plot to flouridate the water supply when you get a chance.

I'm sorry that your Mormon Discussions experience was not to your liking, and wish you luck in your future endeavors.
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Perhaps 'Mormon Discussions' is a front for the secret Apostate Tracking Dept. of the Strengthening The Members Committee
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Shhhhhh! We told you never to talk about that in public!
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Sethbag wrote:Shhhhhh! We told you never to talk about that in public!


I didn't get the memo from Dr Russell M. Nelso... err....Scratch, sorry....
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I always laugh when I see CFR come up in these discussions. It's hard to get into the CFR but it's not terribly difficult (especially if you have a few extra million just laying around). I actually know a few members. I guess I should ask them who they have decided should be the next president. Hopefully they will also advise me of any pending world wars.

Now, do the uber rich form clubs like the Bilderberg Group and meet in exotic locales to discuss common lobbying interests (Davos, Aspen, the Bil? Do they cladestinely invite politicians to such events? Is political corruption a legimate concern? Yes to all. But it is a vastly more complex issue and concern than any crude conspiracy theory implies.
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Drifting wrote:Perhaps 'Mormon Discussions' is a front for the secret Apostate Tracking Dept. of the Strengthening The Members Committee


The Committee's Tracking Front? We're the Tracking Front of the Committee!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE
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Tim the Enchanter wrote:
Drifting wrote:Perhaps 'Mormon Discussions' is a front for the secret Apostate Tracking Dept. of the Strengthening The Members Committee


The Committee's Tracking Front? We're the Tracking Front of the Committee!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE


Wait, I thought we were the Front of Committed Tracking....

Welease Woddawick...
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Sethbag wrote:At some point it just seemed pretty clear that by the time I was having to make excuses for almost everything about the church, I really knew in my heart of hearts that I needed to consider whether the church really is true after all.


This was my experience exactly.

Sethbag wrote:
At least that was my experience. I think most people that get to the point where they try to "meet the truth halfway," will eventually recognize that holding onto some sense of the church's unique truth claims just doesn't work. But what do I know? People are different and it's a crazy world.

I agree with this. Some disagree, and think people like you and me are too "black and white" in our thinking.


Yeah. I've been accused of the same thing. Accusing someone who changes their belief about the church of "black and white" thinking is a variation of "don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" plea. The problem is, there's no baby.
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Cicero wrote:I always laugh when I see CFR come up in these discussions. It's hard to get into the CFR but it's not terribly difficult (especially if you have a few extra million just laying around). I actually know a few members. I guess I should ask them who they have decided should be the next president. Hopefully they will also advise me of any pending world wars.

Now, do the uber rich form clubs like the Bilderberg Group and meet in exotic locales to discuss common lobbying interests (Davos, Aspen, the Bil? Do they cladestinely invite politicians to such events? Is political corruption a legimate concern? Yes to all. But it is a vastly more complex issue and concern than any crude conspiracy theory implies.


It's all part of a cunning plan.
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Tim the Enchanter wrote:Yeah. I've been accused of the same thing. Accusing someone who changes their belief about the church of "black and white" thinking is a variation of "don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" plea. The problem is, there's no baby.

No baby!?! That's too black and white. Whether there is or isn't a baby is a false dichotomy. I mean, there could be, you know, like half a baby or something. Or maybe there could be an imaginary baby that was nevertheless real to you. Or maybe you really just can't live with the idea of a bathtub that doesn't have a baby in it.
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