Banned to the Bone

[_Buffalo]

Bob is troll. Jesus, people.

V/R
Dr. C

I can assure you that they are not "Jesus people."

But let me guess - you think you are? :D

[_Yahoo Bot]

You don't seem to recognize that YOUR tactics are just as vile and insidious. You are purposely, by your own admission, pushing people's buttons just to get a reaction.

Not just "any" reaction, but a reaction calculated to reveal the utter hypocrisy evident here.

I think you and your friends need to be more thin-skinned. You offer enormous rebuke of faithful Latter-day Saints and of the greater church. Learn to endure the criticism. Don't be so cowardly.

[_Yahoo Bot]

That's pretty poor judgment for a former bishop to display.

Former Bishop?

ROFL!

Doesn't change the fact that your arguments are poor. Learn to debate in high rhetorical style rather than get into the gutter and accuse good people of being liars.

[_harmony]

Again, CFR. The only message forum I have ever been banned from is MAD, which means I have been banned from as many forums as LDS apologists like Nomad, Loyd Ericson or Loran Blood.

Wow. You're an amateur, Kevin. I've been banned from lots more than just MAD/FAIR.

[_Droopy]

When I think of the word "Banned" I think of Kevin Graham. One of the most frequently banned posters in any subject, and that probably isn't counting sock puppets. When you inspect this board's history with the word "banned," Kevin is usually in the middle of it, defending his conduct or boasting of his bannings. In fact, should Kevin move to Banning, California?

[What does that really reveal? A hopeless board addict, on a quest to have his name splashed everywhere.]

When I think of the phrase "oblivious" I think of Kevin Graham.

When I contemplate someone who is on the low road to hell, I think of Kevin Graham.

When I want to learn who the current idiot and moron might be, I'm hoping Red Graham will inform me.

"You're such a predictable moron Will." Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:39 am

"Look, moron. You are the one who has a serious problem comprehending here. And comprehension isn't even your main problem. Your main problem is that your mind is just too simple." Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:13 pm

"There is a difference between apologists like Bokovoy and complete morons like yourself." Sun Mar 13, 2011 5:44 pm

"Who the hell ever said anything about "academic-style" translation, moron?" Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:38 pm

"I see you're back to the usual falsehoods Dan. Do I need to list all the people I have disagreed with, whom I have not accused of being a "liar, a moron, an idiot, an incompetemt [sic], and/or a hypocrite"? " Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:16 am

Now, the last quote above is priceless. Here, Islamic Hater Red Graham calls Peterson a liar for, well, what? For having the foolishness to claim that Red Graham calls people with whom he disagrees a liar, a moron, and idiot etc.

MsJack wrote:
This is the real problem with any complaints about Kevin's behavior now. Kevin was an apologist for years and people seldom expressed concerns about his behavior, nor was he banned from the FAIR message board or MAD or ZLMB at the time.

I recall list bannings.

So long as his anger and aggression were directed at critics, few cared, and those few who cared generally kept their concerns low-key.

You're just recalling what you want.

Until LDS apologists start policing and speaking out against the poor behavior coming out of their own ranks, no one is going to take them seriously when they complain about poor behavior in their opponents. Kevin Graham is a textbook case of someone who's style only draws complaints now because he plays for the other team. Gospel truth, folks.

Untrue. At least I don't call you a liar because I disagree.

Do you think that Mormon apologia is so monolithic that there will be a police agency?

I frequently criticize the behavior of LDS apologists and editors and authors for bad behavior. When I post on MAD board, I'm frequently torched by the likes of Pahoran and others. But there isn't a master police agency.

The difference between this board and the MAD board, in terms of behavior, is that the MAD posters throttle back their criticisms, rarely making intensely personal attacks on one's livelihood or reputation --- because the board is moderated. Not true here.

Kevin has amazed me over the years as to his utter oblivion. He damn well thinks he is right all the time; he rarely is. Witness how he responds to attacks as to his style. He can't help himself; he just lashes out in an attempt to vilify his critic. I don't get it. He can't stay on topic -- he has to attack one's character at every turn

Really, Kevin, if you want to make fun of me or my profession, start another thread. But I condemn you and the horse you rode in on.

Though I'm trying to stay away from message boards, and especially this one, as of late, I just had to comment on Yahoo bot's spot on observations regarding the illustrious Red Kevin Graham and his traditional behavior on this obscure and disagreeable board, as well as others.

It's become a bit obvious why Mr. Graham routinely speaks of those who disagree with him as "stupid." Kevin really thinks they are. He's one of a rare breed of insatiable narcissists so absorbed by their own importance and brilliance that they perceive themselves to be surrounded by idiots. When they find that numbers of otherwise substantially educated and knowledgeable people not only take issue with many of their views, but don't take them seriously as the "intellectual" they perceive themselves to be, the situation them becomes little more than an endless round of intellectual one-upmanship.

Kevin doesn't seem to realize that some of us have been around the message board world a long time, and have long memories, especially regarding the more flamboyant and divisive figures among us. Kevin is, indeed, the ban master of the anti-Mormon Internet world. His deeply abrasive, alienating personality is now, and I predict, will be, the only thing he will ever really be remembered for here. He has added so little of intellectual substance to most of the debates he's ever entered into, and has spent so much time burning bridges and creating ill will, that it would take something of a monumental effort to alter the die he has himself cast.

I could have written Yahoo bot's post myself, and indeed, I've written so many exactly like it in the past that it surprises me little that others have not come to similar conclusions.

Oh, and by the way, let's not think for a minute that Kevin doesn't relish his position here, as ultimately unimportant and trivial as it is, as a lightning rod and supreme gadfly of Internet LDS apologetics. I'm rather convinced at this point that it is, perhaps, the one bright spot of an otherwise empty personal life. As others may have noticed, Kevin all but lives on these boards, arguing, wrangling, challenging, hissing, spitting, and in general, being highly unpleasant.

I actually think that at this point in his life, it really may be all he has.

[_harmony]

It's become a bit obvious why Mr. Graham routinely speaks of those who disagree with him as "stupid." Kevin really thinks they are. He's one of a rare breed of insatiable narcissists so absorbed by their own importance and brilliance that they perceive themselves to be surrounded by idiots

You said that with a straight face. Impressive!

[_Droopy]

This is all true. Especially the part I highlighted. With all due respect to Kevin, when the topic turned to Islam and his then far right politics, he came across as so livid as to be unhinged. I have no problem with DCP, a scholar of Islam, having an intense dislike of him over that. But Kevin has mellowed considerably. He still runs hot at times, but it'll only take up digging up a few ZLMB threads to show how much worse it could be. He was Pahoran-esque. And the apologists showed nothing but praise or restraint for that behavior when it was aimed at critics.

This is just a crock of spin. Kevin was nearly as abrasive and rude before his overnight conversion to Chomski leftism as he is now, and was just as likely to call people "stupid," "dumb" and "idiot" as he is now. Contrary to your conveniently poor memory here, Kevin's behavior in recent years has, far from mellowing, become noticeable for its increasing tempo of personal rancor, feverish crusade mentality, and outright bigotry.

Nice try, Delusion, and Jack, but it won't come out in the wash.

[_Chap]

He's one of a rare breed of insatiable narcissists so absorbed by their own importance and brilliance that they perceive themselves to be surrounded by idiots.

<Irony meter overload>

I do not invariably enjoy Kevin Graham's posting style, and I radically disagree with him on some issues. I think he would be better advised never to sink to open abuse, as he sometimes does, since the substance of his posts, at their best, often makes it clear enough what the intellectual status of his opponents is.

But compared to Droopy ...

[_Droopy]

It's become a bit obvious why Mr. Graham routinely speaks of those who disagree with him as "stupid." Kevin really thinks they are. He's one of a rare breed of insatiable narcissists so absorbed by their own importance and brilliance that they perceive themselves to be surrounded by idiots

You said that with a straight face. Impressive!

I know a number of folks who perceive him in precisely the same manner. Sometimes they post similar comments publicly, as the one I made above.

Kevin would be a psychotherapist's playground, but Kevin's too busy playing in his own to take time out for a little keen introspection.

After all, he's far too smart to need anything like that. That's for idiots, don't you know.

Or don't you?

[_Chap]

I know a number of folks who perceive him in precisely the same manner.

Anybody who isn't an LDS apologist, I wonder?