Who Here Supports and Defends Pornography as Legitimate?

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Re: Who Here Supports and Defends Pornography as Legitimate?

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Jhall118 wrote:Unnecessary in what way? In a biological way?

Yes. The body will take care of things while you sleep. Maybe only 95% of men have masturbated, but I'd wager 100% have had one of those dreams.

Masturbating just 5 times a week actually reduces your risk of prostate cancer by 1/3rd.

1/3rd from what? One in a million?

Even assuming that benefit is truly significant and cannot be gained by other means, I don't see why strict monogamy with frequent intercourse wouldn't be just as beneficial for prostate health (since monogamy would counter the STD risk). Furthermore monogamy would yield greater returns in emotional intimacy, etc. all without the need to treat people as objects for mere sexual gratification.

Exploitation is very rare in the porn industry

I find that doubtful. Regardless, it treats people as objects for sexual gratification rather than actual people with personality. (Yes, yes, I'm sure you can find some exceptions).

In fact, I would make a strong argument that pornography keeps desperate women from prostitution (a far more dangerous industry by any standards).

Sure, porn sucks less than prostitution, but then only having one broken leg sucks less than having two broken legs. I think there's a better solution here. Maybe if we empowered these women economically and so on, far fewer of them would choose to do those sort of things. Just a guess of course.
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Your "porn is a job of exploit" would be easier to believe if so many people didn't make their own for free, with no regret doing so.
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Pornography performed between consenting adults - I completely support....Why would any of you care what consenting adults choose to do and film? You don't like it? don't watch it...its hilarious to me that people are actually bothered by consensual pornography - it reminds me of the nosy neighbor from bewitched....

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Apparently some people don't like the idea of homosexuals marrying and, GASP!, having sex as homosexual couples...Guess what, you are welcome NOT to have gay sex....why do you care if others enjoy it?

Why does anyone care what consenting adults choose to do even if you don't enjoy (or are too prudish to agree with...) it....Porn "objectifies" men/women? LOL...that is completely meaningless if its consensual...

eta: my wife and I enjoy various forms of consensual porn...i am sorry for the prudes who can't figure out how to use "porn" to enhance your boring sex lives....
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+1 on the watching porn with your wife.

The idea that porn is mainly viewed by single men who can't get women (as has painted in many of Droopys threads) is so far out. The number one consumer of internet porn is conservative, married, males (with the biggest paid porn consumption by state being Utah).
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Guess what, you are welcome NOT to be religious....why do you care if others enjoy it? What, you mean you still think it's fine to argue about why you dislike certain religions (or all of them)? In other words, I didn't say anything about the legality of porn. I only spoke about whether I find it laudable.

As for objectification, it's true that it's not a logical necessity that it's abusive or exploitative (although I believe porn still often has elements of that). I believe there are other dangers in objectification such as preying on someone's insecurities rather than finding a mutually beneficial arrangement. Objectification will only ever be a shadow of what mutually beneficial love is. The problem is, objectification is much easier and fulfills a primitive biological drive.

I am sorry for those in relationships that suck so much that porn is somehow appealing.
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Droopy, help me finish this analogy:

Many people are against pornography and many people are against Mormonism.
We should ban pornography and ...

I realize you are not going to fill in the blank with Mormonism, but as an ardent Conservative-Libertarian, would you agree that market forces should be the sole determinant of availability for both items? If not, would you say that doing the right thing should override market forces?
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asbestosman wrote:Guess what, you are welcome NOT to be religious....why do you care if others enjoy it?


Guess what, i am not religious and i don't care if others "enjoy" or pretend to "enjoy" being religious.

asbestosman wrote:As for objectification, it's true that it's not a logical necessity that it's abusive or exploitative (although I believe porn still often has elements of that). I believe there are other dangers in objectification such as preying on someone's insecurities rather than finding a mutually beneficial arrangement. Objectification will only ever be a shadow of what mutually beneficial love is. The problem is, objectification is much easier and fulfills a primitive biological drive.


Does your wife never want you to look at her as an object of desire/sexuality/lust? Does she never dress up in sexy outfits for you and tell she just wants you to have fun? It sounds to me like you have some very strong (and boring) opinions about what is and isn't considered "mutually beneficial love" - or maybe its just that you have consigned yourself to the fact that your wife would never put up with anything beyond basic mutual gratification (hopefully you guys at least lose the garments), sucks...Again, what is wrong with occasionally fulfilling a primitive biological drive if it completely involves consenting adults? I don't know you, but, based on the above paragraph, it sounds like you have a very boring (but mutually "gratifying") sex life....

asbestosman wrote:I am sorry for those in relationships that suck so much that porn is somehow appealing.


LOL - I am sorry for those stuck in relationships with people too prudish to be open to trying new things to enhance their sexual experiences. Many would consider the strip-tease that my wife filmed and sent to me while i was in China a couple months ago as "porn" or "objectification"...but, guess what, it was pretty freaking awesome and I am sorry for those in relationships with people who wouldn't do something like that for their spouses...I am guessing your wife wouldn't...
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Hello,

Naked women are nice. Thank God they disrobe. They're pretty.

What's your problem, Droopy?

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schreech wrote:Many would consider the strip-tease that my wife filmed and sent to me while i was in China a couple months ago as "porn" or "objectification"...but, guess what, it was pretty freaking awesome and I am sorry for those in relationships with people who wouldn't do something like that for their spouses...I am guessing your wife wouldn't...


I, for one, am sincerely jealous. Good on your wife!
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Hello,

Naked women are nice. Thank God they disrobe. They're pretty.

What's your problem, Droopy?

Doctor Cameron "I appreciate a woman's body" NC for Me


Quit with the "objectification" you jerk....:)...no woman REALLY wants to be an object of male desires (according to uptight women and the men whose balls are in their hands....)
"your reasoning that children should be experimented upon to justify a political agenda..is tantamount to the Nazi justification for experimenting on human beings."-SUBgenius on gay parents
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