Jesus said put away the sword. Holland, Oaks, et al, says use the musket...
There's a Bible verse for any perspective. Holland and company would likely suggest Matthew 10:34:
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
That one verse gets trotted out fairly often. It's always struck me as odd as it seems to be such an outlier with the rest of the New Testament, and my understanding of Jesus in particular.
That said, I am not particularly well-versed in the Bible, and I fully admit that the Old Testament is filled with some pretty horrific stuff.
What I don't think they realize is the number of members that have kids or relatives who are LGBTQ is huge. Like in the movie Jaws when Richard Dreyfuss a.k.a. Hooper..."I think that I am familiar with the fact that you are going to ignore this particular problem until it swims up and BITES YOU ON THE ASS!"
What percentage of the population is gay? When you combine that with the size of the average Mormon family, those odds don't work out in the church's favour.
In which case the family of the murdered victim(s) should seek legal counsel and sue for redress from the Church.
Some might even consider accusing Holland for inciting violence and call for an investigation by law enforcement.
I 100% agree. That said, I sincerely hope that nobody gets hurt in the first place.
I agree! I don't want anyone to get hurt or suffer pain. But there is a probability that someone who is cruel and has a loose screw in the head is going to lash out. And when they do, lawyers will combine to show how Holland had incredible influence as a leader and using poor judgement is guilty of inciting violence.
If this is the case, I suspect that will be the end of his ministry in the Q-12. He will be released/retired from the 12 and have to make amends. The Church will will pay a heavy price.
I agree! I don't want anyone to get hurt or suffer pain. But there is a probability that someone who is cruel and has a loose screw in the head is going to lash out.
I suspect a rather high one at that. I sincerely hope I'm wrong about this. As much as I'd like to see Holland held accountable, not at that price.
I agree! I don't want anyone to get hurt or suffer pain. But there is a probability that someone who is cruel and has a loose screw in the head is going to lash out.
I suspect a rather high one at that. I sincerely hope I'm wrong about this. As much as I'd like to see Holland held accountable, not at that price.
I have to believe that the Q-12 have already met and had a discussion about the speech and the negative impact it could have as they ponder the outcome. Their lawyers constantly weigh and manage the affairs of the Church and must be calculating the risk as a result of that speech. Holland has no doubt been reprimanded by his peers. I don't think we will see a repeat. They will just sit back and hope it blows over.
With that said, if I was a parent of a gay child attending BYU who was brutally murdered through a hate crime that could be shown to have been instigated or influenced by Holland's speech, well, all I can say is, I would sue for millions of dollars and see to it the press is notified.
What I don't think they realize is the number of members that have kids or relatives who are LGBTQ is huge. Like in the movie Jaws when Richard Dreyfuss a.k.a. Hooper..."I think that I am familiar with the fact that you are going to ignore this particular problem until it swims up and BITES YOU ON THE ASS!"
What percentage of the population is gay? When you combine that with the size of the average Mormon family, those odds don't work out in the church's favour.
Although the historical record is often scarce, evidence points to LGBT individuals having existed in the Mormon community since its beginnings, and estimates of the number of LGBTQ former and current Mormons range from 4 to 10% of the total membership of the LDS Church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) ...
