Message to Women: Cover-up or it's your fault if men leer

[_why me]

I think that "showing skin" here is so natural, particularly in summer, that no really gives it a second thought.

I think that you are getting up there in age Ray. I do believe that the young bucks in their 20's may be getting an eye full, especially at Bondi beach. But of course, that is a beach. However, Aussie gals can be pretty hot and I am sure that the more revealingly dressed women do get their fair share of looks and thoughts.

[_DarkHelmet]

I think that "showing skin" here is so natural, particularly in summer, that no really gives it a second thought.

I think that you are getting up there in age Ray. I do believe that the young bucks in their 20's may be getting an eye full, especially at Bondi beach. But of course, that is a beach. However, Aussie gals can be pretty hot and I am sure that the more revealingly dressed women do get their fair share of looks and thoughts.

How long has it been since you've been laid?

[_why me]

But seriously, if you can't look at another person without immediately thinking of sex, you are the one with the problem.

Spoken like an old fogey. Now Runtu, lets go back to the good ol' days when you were 22. Did you have a problem?

[_just me]

It is culture that sexualizes nudity. In many cultures women walk around topless and it is not scandalous. It is our overly prude puritan culture that breeds the problem. The moslems are even stupider with their it's a women's fault if she is raped mentality.


This whole concept of modesty is a cultural artifact.

Exactly. Which is why I found it funny that Susan says modesty is timeless. The quote from 1913 as if those standards of modesty are anything like modern standards is hilarious.

[Guest]

How long has it been since you've been laid?

How old are you? We need to remember that this is a college where we have hormones flying around in all directions. What were you looking at at 22? Her eyes?

[_asbestosman]

Now Runtu, lets go back to the good ol' days when you were 22. Did you have a problem?

Runtu, are there any sins you haven't yet confessed to a priesthood lea__ . . . I mean to why me? Also, what were you wearing at the time? It was light cotton, wasn't it?

[_why me]

Are there any sins you haven't yet confessed to a priesthood leader? Also, what were you wearing at the time? It was light cotton, wasn't it?

I was just a normal 22 year old guy in NYC. Plenty of skin to look at. For any guy on this forum to tell me that they never looked at a women's bottom wearing tight jeans when they were 22 is a liar. Also, if she was wearing a revealing blouse, he just looked at her eyes as she walked by is a liar.

A 22 year old guy is a 22 year old guy.

[_Runtu]

Runtu, are there any sins you haven't yet confessed to a priesthood lea__ . . . I mean to why me? Also, what were you wearing at the time? It was light cotton, wasn't it?

It's nice having why me on my ignore list because I have no idea as to the context of his statement.

But to answer your question, no, I didn't have a problem. When I was 22, it had been about 5 years since I had tampered with the little factory, and I was so naïve and afraid of lusting that I usually looked away, but if I didn't I'd feel terribly guilty about it. I was so inexperienced that on my honeymoon, I told my wife that her nether regions looked different from what I had expected. I know. TMI.

But, yes, I was a sheltered little Mormon boy afraid of doing anything even remotely wrong.

[_why me]

But, yes, I was a sheltered little Mormon boy afraid of doing anything even remotely wrong.

Which is why you are now out of the church. You needed to relax and loosen up a little. We easterners had no problem with looking. The secret is not to lust but to admire.

[_RayAgostini]

I think that you are getting up there in age Ray. I do believe that the young bucks in their 20's may be getting an eye full, especially at Bondi beach. But of course, that is a beach. However, Aussie gals can be pretty hot and I am sure that the more revealingly dressed women do get their fair share of looks and thoughts.

Probably one lesson age has taught me is that what's hot on the outside, often isn't "hot" (personality wise) on the inside. I think it's fair to say that Mormon missionaries in Australia have a hard time in summer (I'm sounding like Confucius now). I certainly did, but that's basically because I was "chained" 24/7/365 to repulsive hairy males (Paul would disagree) giving orders. Nevertheless, I survived - just. When you're tied into restrictions like that, the temptations are greater.