Netflix series: Keep sweet pray and obey

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Netflix series: Keep sweet pray and obey

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I highly recommend it even though it’s very hard to watch. I’m sure if Joseph Smith’s victims could speak to us today, they would say the exact same things that the wives of Roland and Warren Jeffs say in the show.

Polygamy is not just an embarrassment for the Mormon church. Its integral to understanding the psychopathy of Joseph Smith. It’s the core of Mormonism, and it’s still practiced by the current leader of the mainstream Mormon church.
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I wish I had seen this thread before, I started a thread about it in another forum. What got me misty was listening to audio clips of Warren raping a 12 year old girl. Authorities broken into their temple and then the vault in the basement which contained all sorts of marriage records and audio tapes. Why in the world keep something like that on audio?
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drumdude wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:09 pm
Polygamy is not just an embarrassment for the Mormon church. Its integral to understanding the psychopathy of Joseph Smith.
I wouldn’t go that far. Polygamy is simply the justification he used in order to get laid by women other than his wife.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Sun Jun 12, 2022 8:29 pm
drumdude wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:09 pm
Polygamy is not just an embarrassment for the Mormon church. Its integral to understanding the psychopathy of Joseph Smith.
I wouldn’t go that far. Polygamy is simply the justification he used in order to get laid by women other than his wife.
You think it was purely libido and not power?
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I think it had to be sex and power. He demanded to be with other men's wives, claiming God commanded it, implying that these men had to submit to his authority.
Myth is misused by the powerful to subjugate the masses all too often.
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Not only did he say God commanded him to be an adulterer, he made it a requirement for his followers to all become adulterers to get into Super VIP heaven.

Oh and add in trading 13 and 14 year old girls to "build dynasties" in the afterlife, with the side benefit of boning a girl 30-50 years younger than you.

It's sick.
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honorentheos wrote:
Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:09 am
You think it was purely libido and not power?
It was an explanation and excuse contrived by Hyrum Smith to explain Joseph's infidelities. Since Joseph's libido was an overwhelming part of his personality, polygamy was elevated to the central tenet of the LDS religion.
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honorentheos wrote:
Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:09 am
Dr. Shades wrote:
Sun Jun 12, 2022 8:29 pm
I wouldn’t go that far. Polygamy is simply the justification he used in order to get laid by women other than his wife.
You think it was purely libido and not power?
Yes.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:39 am
honorentheos wrote:
Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:09 am
You think it was purely libido and not power?
Yes.
On this we will disagree, then. I can only anecdotally apply my observations of people I know with that kind of disregard for others in pursuit of sex. In every single case, and there are a number, it's not just libido.
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I would probably contend it's more power than libido. Included in the reason why they stray is an ability to fulfill their desires. Setting up the power structure like Smith and Jeffs did, requires forces to keep it running. Much like Joseph Smith Jeffs upset some other prominent men with his power moves. But that didn't stop them from maintaining power. It only increased their need to re-affirm it.
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