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God, the Great God, was once a worm. He lived in the lake of fire. We lived in the lake of fire. Absorbing this energy we could project or create our own realities but there is a limit to what we could create. The worms absorb the fire and use it to create their reality but creation depletes the fire and the urge to create is greater than the fire absorbed then the creation collapses and the worms are back to "level 1". Father who we call God and who is the creator of this reality, was able to overcome the greed for power by learning how to control the urge to create and was able to absorb the greater portion of the Fire. Worms have a natural tendency to greed. By creating this world and imparting a portion of His Spirit in to us, God gave us a chance to escape the lake of fire and roam free with eagle's wings. This creation is where we must learn to strive with the portion of the Spirit of God we have in order to gain and become disciplined enough to escape the lake of fire. Wisdom only comes from experience. You can not know unless you have experienced it. Every sense of joy or sense of pain we experience in this life is ultimately harmless to our spirit. The body is a temporary vessel, a garment that we wear. At the end of the day, you will only escape the lake of fire if you learn to respect and love others and practice discipline in your life. Discipline over your emotions, discipline over your health, your weaknesses, your temptations, and in your greed for power.

The enemy seeks to steal, take, control, force, coerce, hate, their way into power.

In the end nothing in this existence can really harm you. If you disobey God, you will not be tortured and punished by God. He isn't sending you anywhere. He created this creation as a means to help you worms escape the Lake of Fire. He brought you in here and gave you a portion of His Spirit. He has already escaped the lake of fire. Didn't need to come back and rescue any other worms but He loves us and recognizes our beauty and potential and knows what it's like to be trapped by your greed. If we disregard Father and His spirit in us, we will return to the lake of fire and live the existence we have lived forever. Trapped in a fantasy land of our minds.
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The first step to accepting a new paradigm is recognizing that your current paradigm is significantly flawed.

The materialist worldview at this point is so flawed and probably so that it's completely useless as a model by which to rational frame our existence. There is more to this reality than just the material, temporal stuff we can see or probe with our instruments.

The religion of science is a religion that pretends it's not a religion in order to one up all other religions. The Church of Science is the religion for the so called smart people or people who pretend they are smart. But like all religions they have dogma, faith (and I mean great faith!), they have priests and high priests. They have a hierarchy. It's a religious cult, 100%!

But when you pretend you are not a cult or a religion, well, that's when you start having issues because you aren't being honest with yourself and others. So you become a trickster, a deceiver, on a high horse. The lie is protecting your fragile ego.

The next step to accepting a new paradigm is let go of your ego. Arrogance and ego won't allow you to explore new ideas. Your ego makes you think your persona is more important than the truth. When our persona rules, we are blind and unable to see anything.
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Valo wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:48 pm
God, the Great God, was once a worm. He lived in the lake of fire. We lived in the lake of fire. Absorbing this energy we could project or create our own realities but there is a limit to what we could create. The worms absorb the fire and use it to create their reality but creation depletes the fire and the urge to create is greater than the fire absorbed then the creation collapses and the worms are back to "level 1". Father who we call God and who is the creator of this reality, was able to overcome the greed for power by learning how to control the urge to create and was able to absorb the greater portion of the Fire. Worms have a natural tendency to greed. By creating this world and imparting a portion of His Spirit in to us, God gave us a chance to escape the lake of fire and roam free with eagle's wings. This creation is where we must learn to strive with the portion of the Spirit of God we have in order to gain and become disciplined enough to escape the lake of fire. Wisdom only comes from experience. You can not know unless you have experienced it. Every sense of joy or sense of pain we experience in this life is ultimately harmless to our spirit. The body is a temporary vessel, a garment that we wear. At the end of the day, you will only escape the lake of fire if you learn to respect and love others and practice discipline in your life. Discipline over your emotions, discipline over your health, your weaknesses, your temptations, and in your greed for power.

The enemy seeks to steal, take, control, force, coerce, hate, their way into power.

In the end nothing in this existence can really harm you. If you disobey God, you will not be tortured and punished by God. He isn't sending you anywhere. He created this creation as a means to help you worms escape the Lake of Fire. He brought you in here and gave you a portion of His Spirit. He has already escaped the lake of fire. Didn't need to come back and rescue any other worms but He loves us and recognizes our beauty and potential and knows what it's like to be trapped by your greed. If we disregard Father and His spirit in us, we will return to the lake of fire and live the existence we have lived forever. Trapped in a fantasy land of our minds.
So we evolved on another planet to something similar to what we would describe as an earthworm, and we live in a lake of fire with God? But, we are all greedy earthworms living in this lake of fire, so God created a virtual game that we are all currently playing so we would learn how not to be greedy earthworms?

And, there just so happens to be an enemy earthworm playing this same virtual game that wants to take, control or force us earthworms to do evil?

If I may be so bold to ask, where did you learn this information?
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 8:17 pm
Valo wrote:
Tue Jan 28, 2025 4:48 pm
God, the Great God, was once a worm. He lived in the lake of fire. We lived in the lake of fire. Absorbing this energy we could project or create our own realities but there is a limit to what we could create. The worms absorb the fire and use it to create their reality but creation depletes the fire and the urge to create is greater than the fire absorbed then the creation collapses and the worms are back to "level 1". Father who we call God and who is the creator of this reality, was able to overcome the greed for power by learning how to control the urge to create and was able to absorb the greater portion of the Fire. Worms have a natural tendency to greed. By creating this world and imparting a portion of His Spirit in to us, God gave us a chance to escape the lake of fire and roam free with eagle's wings. This creation is where we must learn to strive with the portion of the Spirit of God we have in order to gain and become disciplined enough to escape the lake of fire. Wisdom only comes from experience. You can not know unless you have experienced it. Every sense of joy or sense of pain we experience in this life is ultimately harmless to our spirit. The body is a temporary vessel, a garment that we wear. At the end of the day, you will only escape the lake of fire if you learn to respect and love others and practice discipline in your life. Discipline over your emotions, discipline over your health, your weaknesses, your temptations, and in your greed for power.

The enemy seeks to steal, take, control, force, coerce, hate, their way into power.

In the end nothing in this existence can really harm you. If you disobey God, you will not be tortured and punished by God. He isn't sending you anywhere. He created this creation as a means to help you worms escape the Lake of Fire. He brought you in here and gave you a portion of His Spirit. He has already escaped the lake of fire. Didn't need to come back and rescue any other worms but He loves us and recognizes our beauty and potential and knows what it's like to be trapped by your greed. If we disregard Father and His spirit in us, we will return to the lake of fire and live the existence we have lived forever. Trapped in a fantasy land of our minds.
So we evolved on another planet to something similar to what we would describe as an earthworm, and we live in a lake of fire with God? But, we are all greedy earthworms living in this lake of fire, so God created a virtual game that we are all currently playing so we would learn how not to be greedy earthworms?

And, there just so happens to be an enemy earthworm playing this same virtual game that wants to take, control or force us earthworms to do evil?

If I may be so bold to ask, where did you learn this information?
To respond to your first statement, no, incorrect. I've said nothing about evolving on planets or earthworms. Worms are a metaphor and so are eagle's but it's hard to describe something completely foreign to neurotypical programming and so signs and symbols work the best for those who are truly interested in understanding.

We come from a place called in scriptures the lake of fire. Again, it's not exactly a literal description but it's an image or a symbol that represents a place of power/chaos/energy where consciousness arises. Within this realm we have all existed and it is the source. The Fire/Chaos/Energy/Spirit is the source of all things. Before Father created this simulation or dream or adventure we all existed in the lake of fire and created our own realities but worms, or our natural state, is one of greed and desire for power and more creation. In our natural state we can never grow beyond a certain state because our greed to create is too great. Creation consumes Fire. Fire creates Spirit and Spirit creates matter. We created our own realms and worlds or realities as we desired but cannot stop until we have consumed the fire we have absorbed and we "shrink" back to our natural state until we absorb more fire and start the cycle again. Father, who is God Almighty, for lack of a better phrase, figured out how to absorb the greater portion of the Fire. This He did through discipline, constraint, and love towards other worms. Once He had wings He created a world, a way for us, to obtain wings too, and not be limited to an endless cycle of creation and death in the lake of fire as worms. By following Father's plan, we can obtain capacities, abilities, and learn the way of Father to obtain God like discipline, God like constraint, and God like love, all of which are required to escape the lake of fire.

Another method of obtaining power is through stealing it or by consumption of energy/fire of another worm. This involves deception and guile and ultimately fails and cannot produce enough fire/spirit to escape the lake of fire. It turns into cannibalism and finally having to eat yourself to sustain yourself. It's a trap but a very enticing trap and hard to see around or even see.

The germs of the information were spoken by Michael Sherwin but all of this comes from the Spirit and the Spirit has fleshed out and taught me more details as I've studied and pondered this idea over time.
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