Jodi Hildebrandt and Ruby Franke: A TL;DR, please?

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Jodi Hildebrandt and Ruby Franke: A TL;DR, please?

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For those of us who don't wish to spend six hours watching the MSP live link--or the three-hour Mormon Stories link--will someone who has done so mind posting a TL;DR for the rest of us regarding this Jodi Hildebrandt / Ruby Franke thing?

The way I see it, the former had a vlog titled "8 Passengers" wherein she gave parenting advice, while the latter was her business partner (doing what, I don't know). Then one of the former's kids showed up on a neighbor's doorstep, begging for food & water, in an emaciated state and with duct tape residue around his wrists and ankles.

Now people are saying that Ms. Hildebrandt has perpetrated much more child abuse, which makes sense considering that such parents never stop at one instance. The only other connection to Mormonism this case has, besides Ms. Hildebrandt being a member, is that the LDS church referred people to her in her professional capacity as a marriage & family counselor. Sounds pretty innocuous if the rank-and-file bishops didn't know what went on behind closed doors.

Beyond that, will someone please summarize the answers to the following questions for us?
  • In another thread, Philo Sofee is saying that the church at the highest levels is culpable in perpetuating massive abuse and funneling a large amount of funds to her. How so? What do they have to do with any of this?
  • What other sort of abuse is Jodi Hildebrandt accused of perpetrating, for how long, and against how many victims?
  • What connection does Ruby Franke have to any of the abuse if she was only Jodi's business partner?
  • Of those accusing Jodi of perpetrating additional acts of abuse, why didn't they come forward sooner?
  • What other details are pertinent that I haven't mentioned (because I don't know what they are)?
  • Aside from the irony that she ran a parenting advice vlog, how and why is this case any worse than any other run-of-the-mill child abuse case? (I work in law enforcement, so maybe I'm a bit jaded, but this story so far as I'm aware seems like something you'd see on a slow Tuesday.)
Thanks in advance for any quick-and-dirty run-down you can provide.
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Bottom line - the LDS church is paying bloggers for PR either directly or indirectly, and the LDS church is knowingly covering up abuse by LDS therapists.

Also, the Boy Scouts is worse than you can imagine and the LDS church is knuckles deep in that one.

Bottom bottom line, the LDS church has a gargantuan kid idiot and kid abuse problem and they're siding with the kid idiots and kid abusers.
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People are only just now starting to come forward with information. It will be a while before a clear picture emerges. I would wait for that to happen if you don’t have time to wade through all the testimony real time.
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Of those accusing Jodi of perpetrating additional acts of abuse, why didn't they come forward sooner?
People have been coming forward for a long time based on her YouTube content.
Aside from the irony that she ran a parenting advice vlog, how and why is this case any worse than any other run-of-the-mill child abuse case?
I discovered her case because I had been sucked into YouTube crime cases for a while, and her case is nowhere near as bad as the really bad cases. I think as you point out, it's a 1.5M sub YouTube channel that as stated, had been complained about, and it's the squeaky-clean Mormon family image, and the relative wealth of the abusers.

As you point out, working law enforcement you've likely seen far more abuse cases than I have seen, but on YouTube crime, cases that get as far as binding kids with duct tape typically don't involve licensed counselors and millionaire Mormons. Usually, the parents look like they crawled out of a garbage can, are broke, and live in trailers or crappy apartments.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2023 1:30 pm
Bottom line - the LDS church is paying bloggers for PR either directly or indirectly . . . .
Evidence?
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:38 am
For those of us who don't wish to spend six hours watching the MSP live link--or the three-hour Mormon Stories link--will someone who has done so mind posting a TL;DR for the rest of us regarding this Jodi Hildebrandt / Ruby Franke thing?
That's a hard no from me.

Spend the time on the MSP live stream with Adam Paul Steed and when you're done with that one, watch the MSP live with Jessi Hildenbrandt. You'll get the LDS Church involvement and the level of various types of abuse from those. Gear up the speed if you have to. Both are well worth the time investment and will satisfy virtually all of your questions.

If you want facts of the case without the LDS piece, try Law & Crime Network on youtube.

There's no possible good way to post a TL;DR on this case and cover it all in one shot. There are too many moving parts to it.
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I've been looking online to see if i can find the info that gave me the impression these people were involved with programs such as Sons of Helaman, havent found much outside of the podcasts referenced, but here are a couple of comments from Reddit. I don't have any info as to their accuracy:
General DiscussionParallels between Connexions/Jodi Hildebrandt and Sons of Helaman/ARP 12 steps (self.exmormon)

submitted 1 day ago by croz_94Graduated from Mormonism

I've been tuning into the recent Mormon Stories' coverage on the whole Jodi Hildebrandt debacle. I'm wondering who else has gone through the church's 12 step program or the Sons of Helaman "therapy" can relate to Jodi's tactics....

https://old.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... randt_and/
and one of the comments
Jumpy_Cobbler7783 5 points 1 day ago
Jodi claims to have been involved with the Brethren in setting up that program.

Either way neither program follows the guidelines from the professional organizations that cover behavioral and mental health.

Her quack diagnosis and theories are not in the DSM.

They reflect false ideas like Bruce R McConkie espoused in the book Mormon Doctrine...

https://old.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... k0gn05s/p¹
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