Michelle Stone Bends The Knee

[Dr. Shades]

Aaaaaand last night a friend of Michelle’s claiming no knowledge by or permission from Michelle, is putting up all Michelle’s podcasts on a new channel called “132 Solutions.”

Sneaky move by Michelle. I love it!!

[drumdude]

Aaaaaand last night a friend of Michelle’s claiming no knowledge by or permission from Michelle, is putting up all Michelle’s podcasts on a new channel called “132 Solutions.”

Sneaky move by Michelle. I love it!!

Indeed. Bravo! Beating the church at their own disingenuous game.

[Moksha]

RFM and Bill's podcasts on Michelle Stone's dilemma have been great.

[Rivendale]

Michelle has asked people to stop posting her videos. It looks like Michelle didn't plan this.

[Moksha]

Michelle has asked people to stop posting her videos. It looks like Michelle didn't plan this.

Wonder how the Grand Inquisition would handle this development? Do you think Michelle would be able to tolerate being put on the rack?

[huckelberry]

So The Church (TM) is mandating that members champion the claims of the Nauvoo Expositor (as others have noted). It makes my head hurt.

Seems nice that the Church is finally acknowledging the accuracy of the Expositor, even if they will not apologize for destroying the newspaper.

Michele stated the reason for leaving her website up. I imagine it was too painful for Michele to acknowledge that her idolized view of Joseph was tainted by the odious practice of polygamy. She wanted him to be holy rather than a hound dog.

I am puzzled because I hardly see the SL church accepting the Expositor's version of polygamy. It has for over 150 years vigorously claimed that the polygamy system was started by Joseph Smith, not Brigham Young. I understood one was to believe that the Expositor presented a distorted version.

Is it not true that teaching against polygamy is rejecting an important teaching and church authority? It is well known that doing that can be seen as grounds for excommunication. I find myself uncertain how a person can find the principle odious and remain a faithful Mormon...Yes, I realize people can be stuck in a dilemma.

[Kishkumen]

I have a hard time cheering on Michelle Stone or regretting the removal of her videos. In my mind, she is the LDS equivalent of a Flat Earther. I would not want to say something like, "Shouldn't Flat Earthers have representation in every society of geography, geology, and physics, a place on every committee, a speaking slot at every conference?" Hells no! Polygamy denialism is transparently contrary to the facts, just as Flat Earth is contrary to scientific fact. No, every stupid idea does not deserve a seat at the table just because.

[Rivendale]

Michelle has asked people to stop posting her videos. It looks like Michelle didn't plan this.

Wonder how the Grand Inquisition would handle this development? Do you think Michelle would be able to tolerate being put on the rack?

She has been on the rack her entire Mormon life.

[I Have Questions]

Wonder how the Grand Inquisition would handle this development? Do you think Michelle would be able to tolerate being put on the rack?

She has been on the rack her entire Mormon life.

To play the part of the Church for a minute...If Michelle is publicly espousing things that run contrary to something the Church has taken an official position on, then she is in danger of leading people astray then it should come as no surprise to anyone that the Church would take steps to stop a member doing that. Either the member can cease and desist and hold their thoughts privately should they wish, or the Church can refuse to allow their membership to continue. I don't see the Church has done something any normal membership based "club' would do to protect its overall operation.

In terms of her position on plural marriage - that it's not a divinely instituted thing, it's man-made. I think most people would agree with her. In terms of her position that Joseph didn't start it, and didn't practice it...well, I think most people now would think that's just living in cloud cuckoo land. D&C 132 should be sufficient to dispel that notion, but there's so much more information available now that espousing that Joseph Smith didn't start and practice plural marriage (his term) is akin to promoting the notion that the moon is made of cheese.

[huckelberry]

She has been on the rack her entire Mormon life.

To play the part of the Church for a minute...If Michelle is publicly espousing things that run contrary to something the Church has taken an official position on, then she is in danger of leading people astray then it should come as no surprise to anyone that the Church would take steps to stop a member doing that. Either the member can cease and desist and hold their thoughts privately should they wish, or the Church can refuse to allow their membership to continue. I don't see the Church has done something any normal membership based "club' would do to protect its overall operation.

In terms of her position on plural marriage - that it's not a divinely instituted thing, it's man-made. I think most people would agree with her. In terms of her position that Joseph didn't start it, and didn't practice it...well, I think most people now would think that's just living in cloud cuckoo land. D&C 132 should be sufficient to dispel that notion, but there's so much more information available now that espousing that Joseph Smith didn't start and practice plural marriage (his term) is akin to promoting the notion that the moon is made of cheese.

Question, I am a little surprised to think many Mormons would think of polygamy as man-made, not divinely established. Well, as a nonbeliever it is easy to see it as man created. I imagine thinking that would seriously undermine confidence in the validity of SL authority. I do not remember anybody questioning the divine command. It is of course possible people thinking it man sourced have been careful not to say so to avoid trouble.

That rack Rivendale mentions. I did think his rack odd in that it would be a rack one could just step off of. But there are ties that bind. There are positive values in the church people hope to keep. People might imagine a version of the church maintaining the positive while losing the problems.