Violating Christian principles and commandments

[Jersey Girl]

I really need a detox from all of this but something came up and I feel compelled to take a stand on the issue of violations of Christian principle and commandments we're seeing in the news reports re: the current administration. Following are the words of the Lord Jesus Christ as reported in New Testament Scripture. I claim him as my Lord and Savior. You all know these but please review one more time if you will. You don't have to be a Christian believer to read. Hopefully you are also familiar with the lead up to the following.

Matthew 25 beginning at verse 31. KJV

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Thank you. Now please compare the above to this 7+ minute video and what is revealed there.


Lawrence: Bill Gates says world’s richest person is killing world’s poorest children
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIQq-odeh0k

Question: Violation of not?

As the thread starter, I really do not want to see a name calling back and forth here. Only examination of the scripture vs. what we're seeing in the news. I'm still pretty sick. I'll try my best to jump back into the thread when I can handle it. I might not return to this until Monday.

Thanks for joining if you're interested.

Jersey Girl

[Gunnar]

Thank you. Now please compare the above to this 7+ minute video and what is revealed there.


Lawrence: Bill Gates says world’s richest person is killing world’s poorest children
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIQq-odeh0k

Question: Violation of not?

As the thread starter, I really do not want to see a name calling back and forth here. Only examination of the scripture vs. what we're seeing in the news. I'm still pretty sick. I'll try my best to jump back into the thread when I can handle it. I might not return to this until Monday.

Thanks for joining if you're interested.

Jersey Girl

Bill Gates, an atheist, is far truer to Christian ideals than any self-proclaimed Christians who support Trump and MAGA!. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't begin to understand the teachings of Jesus Christ in whom they profess to believe. This stubborn streak of hatred and anti-wokeism (which is basically merely a euphemism for hateful bigotry) that still persists and has been amplified by Trump and his MAGA sycophants will inevitably contribute more than almost anything else to the ultimate demise of American leadership, respectability, and, in the long run, even economic viability and competitiveness.

Our nation needs more Christians like Episcopal bishop Mariann Edgar Budde and James Talarico, the devoutly religious, Baptist, Texas legislator.

[Dr. Shades]

It’s easy to be generous with someone else’s money. Is that what Jesus was advocating?

[Gadianton]

It’s easy to be generous with someone else’s money. Is that what Jesus was advocating?

No, he's advocating the richest man in the world to use his own money to help children rather than to kill them.

[Physics Guy]

Who says that all of a rich person's money is their own? If the law of the land says that some portion of the money they hold rightfully belongs to the state as a tax payment, then doesn't that mean that this portion of money isn't the rich person's money, but rather everyone's money?

It's only the law of the land, after all, that says that anything the rich person owns truly belongs to them. In the absence of law, everything belongs to whomever can take it, and every rich person will quickly lose all they have.

That's exactly why we need laws that guarantee private property. Without laws that safeguard the right to be rich, no-one has any incentive to do any more than they must to survive, and everyone just stays poor.

But it's still the case that rich people owe a bigger debt to the law than poor people do, because the rich benefit more from their legal right to own their great wealth than the poor benefit from their right to own the little they have. If the law demands a proportionate fee, in the form of proportional or even progressive taxation, who is to say this is wrong?

Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

[Gunnar]

Who says that all of a rich person's money is their own? If the law of the land says that some portion of the money they hold rightfully belongs to the state as a tax payment, then doesn't that mean that this portion of money isn't the rich person's money, but rather everyone's money?

It's only the law of the land, after all, that says that anything the rich person owns truly belongs to them. In the absence of law, everything belongs to whomever can take it, and every rich person will quickly lose all they have.

That's exactly why we need laws that guarantee private property. Without laws that safeguard the right to be rich, no-one has any incentive to do any more than they must to survive, and everyone just stays poor.

But it's still the case that rich people owe a bigger debt to the law than poor people do, because the rich benefit more from their legal right to own their great wealth than the poor benefit from their right to own the little they have. If the law demands a proportionate fee, in the form of proportional or even progressive taxation, who is to say this is wrong?

Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

Right on!! I think that is just about as incontrovertible as the laws of physics, let alone the teachings of Christ!

[Gunnar]

It’s easy to be generous with someone else’s money. Is that what Jesus was advocating?

No, he's advocating the richest man in the world to use his own money to help children rather than to kill them.

Of course! Who can reasonably argue against that?

[Jersey Girl]

Leviticus 19 KJV

9 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.

10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the Lord your God.

Compare to:

Exclusive: US food purchases for foreign aid halted despite waiver
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodi ... 025-02-05/

Excerpt. More at the link above.

Summary

Wheat, soy purchases for foreign aid halted since Trump review
State Department waiver exempted food from aid freeze
Freeze leaves farmers and aid groups scrambling

Feb 5 (Reuters) - The U.S. has stopped purchases for foreign food aid programs since the Trump administration began a sweeping review of federal aid spending, despite a waiver issued nearly two weeks ago for food assistance, according to nine sources. The freeze in purchases of wheat, soybeans and other commodities produced by U.S. farmers could hinder or halt the operations of organizations that provide millions of tons of food each year to help alleviate poverty in countries such as Madagascar, Tanzania and Honduras, the sources said.

It also means added pain for U.S. farmers, already facing low commodity prices and uncertainty from potential tariffs in an emerging trade war, and who see foreign aid programs as opportunities to promote their farm products abroad, four of the sources said. The sources requested anonymity for fear of retribution. "Down the road it could definitely lead to more vulnerable populations not being able to access food," said Virginia Houston, director of government affairs for the American Soybean Association. "It also hurts our supply chains," she said. Commodity purchases and shipments for the Food for Progress, Food for Peace, and McGovern-Dole Food for Education programs were frozen after Trump signed a Jan. 20 executive order - shortly after his inauguration - pausing U.S. foreign aid for 90 days, two sources told Reuters.

Question: Violation or not?

[huckelberry]

There are a variety of ways that any individual's wealth is interdependent with the wealth and labor of a multitude of others. Physics Guy has solid clear basic observation.

A related observation is that I pay taxes. My friends and family, my neighbors near and far all pay taxes. What is done with our money which we contribute is a natural concern for choice.

[Kishkumen]

It’s easy to be generous with someone else’s money. Is that what Jesus was advocating?

A democratic republic is not a personal buffet.