Loss of democracy in Wisconsin

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Re: Loss of democracy in Wisconsin

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HOw do you Americans ever pretend to be a democracy. It seems the GOP cannot accept the will of the majority. Cheaters
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Re: Loss of democracy in Wisconsin

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aussieguy55 wrote:HOw do you Americans ever pretend to be a democracy. It seems the GOP cannot accept the will of the majority. Cheaters

the will of the majority is in effect from the beginning of a term until its end...current office holders reflect the will of those whom elected them for the complete term.
For example, when Trump won the Presidential election in November 2016, it was not an expectation or entitlement that Obama suddenly adopt Trump policies and Republican platforms....a.k.a., the elected don't control the office on November 7th, they have to wait until January.
Furthermore, and you are likely unaware because of your country's shortcomings, America does not exclusively subscribe to the notion of "the will of the majority" in all things, even politically. Our Nation recognizes the minority as well.
But mostly, like Presidential Pardons, an outgoing official is not bound by some imaginary rule that you guys are moaning about here.
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Re: Loss of democracy in Wisconsin

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So subgenius is back to his usual response.

"Nothing illegal here."

The politicians work for the people, not themselves. At least that is how is it supposed to be. Republicans lost sight of that principle long ago. The people elected Democrats because they wanted change whether the existing Republicans in office like it or not. They need to respect that change and not pull all sorts of political stunts to prevent Democrats from doing what the people elected them to do. That's petulant and immoral.

When Republicans set the house on fire after being evicted they look like sore losers who care about nothing but themselves.
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Re: Loss of democracy in Wisconsin

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subgenius wrote:
aussieguy55 wrote:HOw do you Americans ever pretend to be a democracy. It seems the GOP cannot accept the will of the majority. Cheaters

the will of the majority is in effect from the beginning of a term until its end...current office holders reflect the will of those whom elected them for the complete term.
For example, when Trump won the Presidential election in November 2016, it was not an expectation or entitlement that Obama suddenly adopt Trump policies and Republican platforms....a.k.a., the elected don't control the office on November 7th, they have to wait until January.
Furthermore, and you are likely unaware because of your country's shortcomings, America does not exclusively subscribe to the notion of "the will of the majority" in all things, even politically. Our Nation recognizes the minority as well.
But mostly, like Presidential Pardons, an outgoing official is not bound by some imaginary rule that you guys are moaning about here.


Was it illegal for Erdogan and his allies to turn Turkey into a de facto dictatorship?
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Re: Loss of democracy in Wisconsin

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EAllusion wrote:
Was it illegal for Erdogan and his allies to turn Turkey into a de facto dictatorship?

I am not familiar with turkish law, but perhaps you are and can enlighten us?
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Re: Loss of democracy in Wisconsin

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Kevin Graham wrote:So subgenius is back to his usual response.

"Nothing illegal here."

The politicians work for the people, not themselves. At least that is how is it supposed to be. Republicans lost sight of that principle long ago. The people elected Democrats because they wanted change whether the existing Republicans in office like it or not. They need to respect that change and not pull all sorts of political stunts to prevent Democrats from doing what the people elected them to do. That's petulant and immoral.

When Republicans set the house on fire after being evicted they look like sore losers who care about nothing but themselves.

Oh, like the respect you have shown the people's voice in November 2016?
Nevertheless, there is nothing illegal here, and the people elected the current officials to serve their will for 24 months. Likewise, come January, the will of the people can change things as well...perhaps you have heard rumors for how government works?
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Re: Loss of democracy in Wisconsin

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subgenius wrote:I am not familiar with turkish law, but perhaps you are and can enlighten us?


No, it wasn't. What is lawful isn't necessarily what is right, and democracies can be undone using lawful means.
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Re: Loss of democracy in Wisconsin

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North Carolina is using its lame duck session to pass a bill that would give the party with the most registered voters (i.e. Democrats) control of election boards in odd number years when few elections are held and Republicans in even number years when almost all elections are held. In other words, they're passing a law that says Republicans control elections going forward. And they're doing it when a Republican was found to have engaged in some of the most egregious election fraud in the country in many years while Republicans initially tried to look the other way over it.
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Re: Loss of democracy in Wisconsin

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EAllusion wrote:North Carolina is using its lame duck session to pass a bill that would give the party with the most registered voters (i.e. Democrats) control of election boards in odd number years when few elections are held and Republicans in even number years when almost all elections are held. In other words, they're passing a law that says Republicans control elections going forward. And they're doing it when a Republican was found to have engaged in some of the most egregious election fraud in the country in many years while Republicans initially tried to look the other way over it.

Yawn....is this an irreversible law? oh wait, its not a NC Constitutional amendment...lets see if that law sticks around, funny thing about a party controlling a legislature - or are you unaware of legislative history in all of America?
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Re: Loss of democracy in Wisconsin

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subgenius wrote:
EAllusion wrote:North Carolina is using its lame duck session to pass a bill that would give the party with the most registered voters (i.e. Democrats) control of election boards in odd number years when few elections are held and Republicans in even number years when almost all elections are held. In other words, they're passing a law that says Republicans control elections going forward. And they're doing it when a Republican was found to have engaged in some of the most egregious election fraud in the country in many years while Republicans initially tried to look the other way over it.

Yawn....is this an irreversible law? oh wait, its not a North Carolina Constitutional amendment...lets see if that law sticks around, funny thing about a party controlling a legislature - or are you unaware of legislative history in all of America?


Were the laws that give Hitler dictatorial powers irreversible? Yawn.

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Laws that game elections affect who gets to write future laws.
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