There are things hard to fathom

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Re: There are things hard to fathom

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honorentheos wrote:
Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:24 am
The Russian invasion of Ukraine was a direct attack against western liberal democracy. Full stop.
No, the Russian invasion of Ukraine was a direct attack against Ukraine.
React to that fact as you will.
It isn’t a fact.
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Some many great people that are so much smarter than I. When you bring the theory of liberal democracy, I bring in a 22 year old Golda Meir who worked on a Kibbutz in British Palestine. She said she was so happy at the beginning and owned nothing and worked with chickens. but thousands and thousand made Aliyah and suddenly her government was confronted with building a free-socialist society. If you read 1980 books on the first five pri ministers of Israel you will see the issues of all governments.
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Re: There are things hard to fathom

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Dr. Shades wrote:
Sat Aug 26, 2023 7:34 pm
honorentheos wrote:
Sat Aug 26, 2023 2:24 am
The Russian invasion of Ukraine was a direct attack against western liberal democracy. Full stop.
No, the Russian invasion of Ukraine was a direct attack against Ukraine.
React to that fact as you will.
It isn’t a fact.
Oh, it's a fact. That this involved directly attacking Ukraine doesn't exclude that.
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Re: There are things hard to fathom

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What's hard to fathom is how anyone believes that the United States support of Ukraine has to do with anything other than money and power.

Everything is a rich man's trick - literally and figuratively.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oVpt_I ... denReality
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Black Moclips wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 1:21 am
What's hard to fathom is how anyone believes that the United States support of Ukraine has to do with anything other than money and power.

Everything is a rich man's trick - literally and figuratively.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oVpt_I ... denReality
How is it merely "a rich man's trick" to do one's best to ensure that Putin does not get the impression that he can invade any neighbouring country without risking significant resistance?
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Re: There are things hard to fathom

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Who do you think actually receives most of the $113 Billion in tax payer dollars that go towards "aid". Defense contractors and arms dealers. And who do you think Russian is sending billions to on their side? Defense contractors and arms dealers. Who wins no matter how many Ukrainians and Russians die in this conflict? Defense contracts and arms dealers.

It really is cute that you think we can "teach" Putin there are consequences to his actions. He literally gives zero "F"s. Its almost like you think we haven't done very similar things around the world historically and have the moral high ground. That's also a nice fantasy.

I love our country and its ideals, but there is too much corruption.
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And how does the video, which is about JFK and 911, prove that the US supporting Ukraine is only about money and power and nothing else?

By the way, conspiracy theory videos get shut off once they reach the point of critical failure in reasoning. And so I only got through three or four minutes of this 3.5 hour off-topic sleep-fest.

The author, who I couldn't find much about -- credentials etc.-- claims there were 8 shooters at the JFK event. He shows approximate locations of 6 of them and left the final two unspecified. He made the statement, "we now know there were eight shooters".

I've searched via Google and the duck (which is conspiracy friendly) and nothing about eight shooters comes up. An opinion piece in Newsweek suggests there were "multiple shots from different directions". I don't have a horse in the race on JFK's murder. But if "we now know there were eight shooters", and we know their locations, which was spoken with the same authority as "we now know that Neptune has rings", then I should be able to find something online aside from his vanity project to justify the claim, especially since he spends no effort justifying it himself.
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The video does focus on the assassination of JFK, but to do that and explain many of the reasons behind it, delves back into the global history from World War 1 forward and addresses how money and power has guided all the wars since. I linked it as a general commentary about the nature of governments, defense industries, corporations and elite individuals that profit from war, regardless of the side they are on.

That many of the JFK files are still unreleased to the public shows that its pretty clear our own government was somehow involved. That should show you the true nature of government and power and the depths they will go to coverup and force the story they want through the main stream media. Its funny that most do not put any scrutiny whatsoever to the talking heads and corporations behind the mainstream media and their stories. For most, the "thinking has been done", have faith in the narrative. Its so funny and ironic on a board like this how critical people are of Mormonism but sure do love their mainstream media.
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I think Eisenhower said beware of the military industrial complex. War makes people money. People that see it and want to talk about it end up in a casket.

But then I counter myself and think about Israel. They want to be free and to thrive but the military industrial complex says no.
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Hunter Biden has managed to profit from both sides in the Ukraine/Russia conflict.
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