The Fentanyl Crisis is finally solved....

[Gadianton]

Markk should read Chap's response for more background on criminalizing drugs and the resulting black markets that follow. I'm sure it was the idea of the US because we love screwing people over.

You said in your next post in direct to question 1..." I answered questions 2, 3, and 4,

I could have answered all the questions together with the one response had I been thinking about the way black markets branch out the first time.

You can go through whatever points, Markk, that you don't feel I explained well enough or that weren't clear, for whatever reason, and I will elaborate.

If there's a tiny chance that something I say will turn your wrath from punishing illegals who are just here to work and not cause trouble then it's worth a try.

[canpakes]

So given all your nitpicking of Trump's plan, which seems to be working fairly well so far after only 5 weeks.

Maybe not as well as hoped. Three days ago, acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Caleb Vitello, was removed from his post by the Trump Administration.

[Markk]

So given all your nitpicking of Trump's plan, which seems to be working fairly well so far after only 5 weeks.

Maybe not as well as hoped. Three days ago, acting director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Caleb Vitello, was removed from his post by the Trump Administration.

Why is that bad?

[Markk]

Markk should read Chap's response for more background on criminalizing drugs and the resulting black markets that follow. I'm sure it was the idea of the US because we love screwing people over.

You said in your next post in direct to question 1..." I answered questions 2, 3, and 4,

I could have answered all the questions together with the one response had I been thinking about the way black markets branch out the first time.

You can go through whatever points, Markk, that you don't feel I explained well enough or that weren't clear, for whatever reason, and I will elaborate.

If there's a tiny chance that something I say will turn your wrath from punishing illegals who are just here to work and not cause trouble then it's worth a try.

Great!

In no specific order....lets start here.

Apart from the secret operation (production). How will your government distribute this to the addicts on the streets, in all the cities, to these hundreds of thousands of addicted Americans. Who would be doing this, and how long would it take to put the cartels out of business?

Given that over a hundred thousand Americans are dying each year by overdose of the drug, who will be responsible for those that die from this higher quality brand you are offering.

[Dr. Shades]

https://committees.parliament.uk/writte ... 2Dexistent.

In the 48 years since the MoDA became law, UK police forces have had a great deal of success in investigating and disrupting Organised Crime networks. . . Some of our members have been instrumental in developing investigative techniques that have contributed to thousands of years of successful drug convictions.

How can there have been thousands of years of successful drug convictions in only 48 years?

[I Have Questions]

https://committees.parliament.uk/writte ... 2Dexistent.

In the 48 years since the MoDA became law, UK police forces have had a great deal of success in investigating and disrupting Organised Crime networks. . . Some of our members have been instrumental in developing investigative techniques that have contributed to thousands of years of successful drug convictions.

How can there have been thousands of years of successful drug convictions in only 48 years?

I think it is badly phrased in the report. I think what it means is that it has contributed to multiple years during which there have been thousands of successful drug convictions. Thousands of convictions per year. Not thousands of years. At least that’s how I read it.

[Markk]

Questions part two...

Given you asserted ..."in a secret operation, the government will create fentanyl of the highest quality and perfectly measured and offer increasingly better prices, and become the premiere supplier. ..." What will keep the cartel from getting a sample of the product and re-engineering it and the selling it on the street in their established networking enterprise?

Per Chaps report, heroin was distributed and injected with supervision for HAT to be most effective, would that be part of your plan or would they just inject it, take it in pill form, smoke it, inhalers, patches...etc, as a preference? How would that work?

[Chap]

https://committees.parliament.uk/writte ... 2Dexistent.

In the 48 years since the MoDA became law, UK police forces have had a great deal of success in investigating and disrupting Organised Crime networks. . . Some of our members have been instrumental in developing investigative techniques that have contributed to thousands of years of successful drug convictions.

How can there have been thousands of years of successful drug convictions in only 48 years?

Total years of sentences awarded to convicted criminals.

[I Have Questions]

How can there have been thousands of years of successful drug convictions in only 48 years?

Total years of sentences awarded to convicted criminals.

Ah yes.

[Chap]

Markk reacts incredulously to the idea that governments could pull the rug out from under criminal drug gangs by supplying clean heroin to addicts and hence destroying the market on which the gangs depend.

But once there WAS a government that did avoid criminals making money out of supplying drugs to addicts. See this evidence submitted to the UK parliament:

https://committees.parliament.uk/writte ... 2Dexistent.

DRP0033
Written evidence from Law Enforcement Action Partnership UK (LEAP UK)

History:

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Got that? Until the criminalisation of drug use in the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971, heroin addicts in the UK could register as such with their doctor, and would be supplied with clean heroin at no cost in carefully controlled quantities under medical supervision. There was no heroin market for criminals to exploit, because addiction was treated as an illness.

But when the criminal law was brought to bear in 1971, and the so-called 'British System' ceased to operate, a huge criminal market was created, with the result that criminals worked hard to increase the number of addicts they supplied with adulterated and impure heroin, and both addiction and associated crime rates soared. To sum it up:

In the final year before the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 (MoDA) was introduced, there were 1,049 recorded instances of people suffering from heroin addiction – 20 years later this number had risen to 300,000 people.

Rumour has it that the UK government abandoned its previous successful heroin control policy as a result of pressure from the US government. I hope that is not true, but it does sound plausible.

May I just add, in partial response to later comments and questions:

One point of my post was to emphasise that at a certain point in time the approach to heroin addiction in the UK was changed by law from:

(A) Heroin addiction is an illness. We must treat the addicts as people with an illness, which may involve us in supplying them with the amount of the drug that their illness demands, so that they can lead relatively normal lives of work and human relations as most of them wish to do, and are indeed able to do if their needs are met. We also try to help them to reduce their dependence on the drug, but until they can do that (which many do, when given proper support), we do what is needed to maintain them.

(B) Drugs are evil, and we must fight ruthlessly against them. The state must stop supplying heroin, and punish anybody who seeks to find an alternative source to meet the needs of their addiction, or who sells drugs to addicts who need them. We are in a WAR ON DRUGS!!!

The former policy worked rather well. The latter has been a pretty abject failure, with a huge rise in the number of addicts, and the creation of international criminal empires with immense wealth and power. History shows that did not need to happen. There is no quick fix to reverse this process, and any attempt to do so carries huge PR risks for any government that attempts it. But we need to try.