Hope from our Christian Friends

[Chap]

So. Trump's Bibles were printed in China.

Figures. Is it not claimed that a large proportion of (if not all) Maga hats were made in China?

[canpakes]

Today I learned that God has an immigration task force that employs questionably legal and overly aggressive tactics.

[Jersey Girl]

Today I learned that God has an immigration task force that employs questionably legal and overly aggressive tactics.

Huh. And here I thought that was the Roman Army.

My mistake.

[Kishkumen]

It’s evidence, at least, of being a complete grifter.

Even Biblical anti-christs didn’t take so many chances to fleece their followers.

An anti-Christ certainly would sell Bibles to people who thought he was a kind of savior.

[Jersey Girl]

It’s evidence, at least, of being a complete grifter.

Even Biblical anti-christs didn’t take so many chances to fleece their followers.

An anti-Christ certainly would sell Bibles to people who thought he was a kind of savior.

With his name on the cover no less.

You'll be happy to hear that the world is singing Trump's prasies, Trump performed a miracle today with regard to to Gaza and that Trump IS a miracle. And today is the start of long lasting peace in the Middle East

Quotes from various media.

[Gunnar]

With his name on the cover no less.

You'll be happy to hear that the world is singing Trump's prasies, Trump performed a miracle today with regard to to Gaza and that Trump IS a miracle. And today is the start of long lasting peace in the Middle East

Quotes from various media.

If this really does turn out to be the start of a long-lasting peace in the Middle East with justice and fairness for Gazans, Israelis and others who live in that region, and it is clearly attributable to Trump's efforts, and if Trump also succeeds in brokering an end to the Russian invasion of Ukraine while still preserving Ukraine's sovereignty, freedom and territorial integrity, then even I would favor awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to him. I hope you will forgive me, though, for being at least somewhat skeptical about how long and how just that peace will turn out to be.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Why is this such a problem in the Christian community?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

[Kishkumen]

Huh. And here I thought that was the Roman Army.

My mistake.

The Roman Army did very little to control traffic between the empire and external regions and peoples. On occasion they sought to prevent mass migration events, but those incursions were huge groups with armed contingents numbering in the many thousands at once, and, even then, they sometimes let entire tribes settle within the empire.

[Chap]

With his name on the cover no less.

You'll be happy to hear that the world is singing Trump's prasies, Trump performed a miracle today with regard to to Gaza and that Trump IS a miracle. And today is the start of long lasting peace in the Middle East

Quotes from various media.

If this really does turn out to be the start of a long-lasting peace in the Middle East with justice and fairness for Gazans, Israelis and others who live in that region, and it is clearly attributable to Trump's efforts, and if Trump also succeeds in brokering an end to the Russian invasion of Ukraine while still preserving Ukraine's sovereignty, freedom and territorial integrity, then even I would favor awarding the Nobel Peace Prize to him. I hope you will forgive me, though, for being at least somewhat skeptical about how long and how just that peace will turn out to be.

My bold. Trump's 'peace plan' is as follows:

1. Gaza will be a deradicalised terror-free zone that does not pose a threat to its neighbours.

2. Gaza will be redeveloped for the benefit of the people of Gaza, who have suffered more than enough.

3. If both sides agree to this proposal, the war will immediately end. Israeli forces will withdraw to the agreed upon line to prepare for a hostage release. During this time, all military operations, including aerial and artillery bombardment, will be suspended, and battle lines will remain frozen until conditions are met for the complete staged withdrawal.

4. Within 72 hours of Israel publicly accepting this agreement, all hostages, alive and deceased, will be returned.

5. Once all hostages are released, Israel will release 250 life sentence prisoners plus 1,700 Gazans who were detained after 7 October 2023, including all women and children detained in that context. For every Israeli hostage whose remains are released, Israel will release the remains of 15 deceased Gazans.

6. Once all hostages are returned, Hamas members who commit to peaceful co-existence and to decommission their weapons will be given amnesty. Members of Hamas who wish to leave Gaza will be provided safe passage to receiving countries.

7. Upon acceptance of this agreement, full aid will be immediately sent into the Gaza Strip. At a minimum, aid quantities will be consistent with what was included in the 19 January 2025 agreement regarding humanitarian aid, including rehabilitation of infrastructure (water, electricity, sewage), rehabilitation of hospitals and bakeries, and entry of necessary equipment to remove rubble and open roads.

8. Entry of distribution and aid in the Gaza Strip will proceed without interference from the two parties through the United Nations and its agencies, and the Red Crescent, in addition to other international institutions not associated in any manner with either party. Opening the Rafah crossing in both directions will be subject to the same mechanism implemented under 19 January 2025 agreement.

9. Gaza will be governed under the temporary transitional governance of a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee, responsible for delivering the day-to-day running of public services and municipalities for the people in Gaza. This committee will be made up of qualified Palestinians and international experts, with oversight and supervision by a new international transitional body, the "Board of Peace," which will be headed and chaired by President Donald J. Trump, with other members and heads of state to be announced, including Former Prime Minister Tony Blair. This body will set the framework and handle the funding for the redevelopment of Gaza until such time as the Palestinian Authority has completed its reform programme, as outlined in various proposals, including President Trump's peace plan in 2020 and the Saudi-French proposal, and can securely and effectively take back control of Gaza. This body will call on best international standards to create modern and efficient governance that serves the people of Gaza and is conducive to attracting investment.

10. A Trump economic development plan to rebuild and energise Gaza will be created by convening a panel of experts who have helped birth some of the thriving modern miracle cities in the Middle East. Many thoughtful investment proposals and exciting development ideas have been crafted by well-meaning international groups, and will be considered to synthesize the security and governance frameworks to attract and facilitate these investments that will create jobs, opportunity, and hope for future Gaza.

11. A special economic zone will be established with preferred tariff and access rates to be negotiated with participating countries.

12. No one will be forced to leave Gaza, and those who wish to leave will be free to do so and free to return. We will encourage people to stay and offer them the opportunity to build a better Gaza.

13. Hamas and other factions agree to not have any role in the governance of Gaza, directly, indirectly, or in any form. All military, terror, and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapon production facilities, will be destroyed and not rebuilt. There will be a process of demilitarisation of Gaza under the supervision of independent monitors, which will include placing weapons permanently beyond use through an agreed process of decommissioning, and supported by an internationally funded buy back and reintegration programme all verified by the independent monitors. New Gaza will be fully committed to building a prosperous economy and to peaceful coexistence with their neighbours.

14. A guarantee will be provided by regional partners to ensure that Hamas, and the factions, comply with their obligations and that New Gaza poses no threat to its neighbours or its people.

15. The United States will work with Arab and international partners to develop a temporary International Stabilisation Force (ISF) to immediately deploy in Gaza. The ISF will train and provide support to vetted Palestinian police forces in Gaza, and will consult with Jordan and Egypt who have extensive experience in this field. This force will be the long-term internal security solution. The ISF will work with Israel and Egypt to help secure border areas, along with newly trained Palestinian police forces. It is critical to prevent munitions from entering Gaza and to facilitate the rapid and secure flow of goods to rebuild and revitalize Gaza. A deconfliction mechanism will be agreed upon by the parties.

16. Israel will not occupy or annex Gaza. As the ISF establishes control and stability, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will withdraw based on standards, milestones, and timeframes linked to demilitarization that will be agreed upon between the IDF, ISF, the guarantors, and the United States, with the objective of a secure Gaza that no longer poses a threat to Israel, Egypt, or its citizens. Practically, the IDF will progressively hand over the Gaza territory it occupies to the ISF according to an agreement they will make with the transitional authority until they are withdrawn completely from Gaza, save for a security perimeter presence that will remain until Gaza is properly secure from any resurgent terror threat.

17. In the event Hamas delays or rejects this proposal, the above, including the scaled-up aid operation, will proceed in the terror-free areas handed over from the IDF to the ISF.

18. An interfaith dialogue process will be established based on the values of tolerance and peaceful co-existence to try and change mindsets and narratives of Palestinians and Israelis by emphasizing the benefits that can be derived from peace.

19. While Gaza re-development advances and when the PA reform programme is faithfully carried out, the conditions may finally be in place for a credible pathway to Palestinian self-determination and statehood, which we recognise as the aspiration of the Palestinian people.

20. The United States will establish a dialogue between Israel and the Palestinians to agree on a political horizon for peaceful and prosperous co-existence.

Straight off from number 1, the obvious response is "Sounds great. How will you make that happen, exactly?". Some things (e.g. 4) are already widely seen as impossible. Hamas probably knows more or less where all the bodies are buried, but some of them are by now deep under mountains of rubble. Did nobody think of that? Number 9 talks of the establishment of "a technocratic, apolitical Palestinian committee" to run Gaza. Good luck with finding people who everybody can agree on as appropriate members of such a body. As for "A Trump economic development plan to rebuild and energise Gaza", well, the clue is in the name. On "18. An interfaith dialogue process will be established based on the values of tolerance and peaceful co-existence to try and change mindsets and narratives of Palestinians and Israelis by emphasizing the benefits that can be derived from peace": well, that should only take about two generations to make a reasonable possibility (what do you think is currently in the minds of all those little children in Gaza, and in Israel? Nice feelings about one another? Pull the other leg, it's got bells on it.).

Read the whole thing carefully, and ask yourself - how much nearer does the signing of this plan get us to any certainty of peace in the Middle East? I agree, of course, that it is full of nice feelings, but that is not quite enough in the world we live in. Still, who would not wish it well? I certainly do, but that is a very different matter from expecting it to get us very far along the hard, hard miles ahead of us,