Re-education program.

[dantana]

I wonder if maybe the Right side's belief in election fraud is not waning, because of inaction of the left, due to the left just being in a state of dumbfounded-ness.

I know, we've seen the warning signs that the Right is going to continue its lunacy but, how could we know that there would be so many that would actually think that Pence could just choose the next Pres. because Trump told him to. That so many would think they could actually alter congressional actions by taking over the physical building. That so many would ignore the mountain of evidence against election fraud, because Mellissa Carone signed an affidavit.

Philthy Phucking crumpets, I'm starting to think Schmo's numbers might be right. They are all idiots.

One possible solution might be; Pres Biden hires Steve Bannon, Roger Stone and Steven Miller for a propaganda/education program. It worked once...

[DrW]

I wonder if maybe the Right side's belief in election fraud is not waning, because of inaction of the left, due to the left just being in a state of dumbfounded-ness.

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One possible solution might be; Pres Biden hires Steve Bannon, Roger Stone and Steven Miller for a propaganda/education program. It worked once...

One of the most effective deprogramming and re-education strategies out there is that used by the US Marine Corps. The reputation of Marine Corps Boot Camp as a place where one is broken down and rebuilt in the image of the Corps is well deserved. Vietnam era draftees who had the mistaken belief that bad behavior would be a ticket back to civilian life from boot camp were assigned to a special unit. The unit had nothing to do but break up concrete with sledge hammers. If the unfortunate recruit's bad conduct warranted it, there might even be an intermediate stop off in the base brig on the way to the concrete pile.

New concrete recruits were informed that their enlistment was for two years and there was plenty of concrete to be broken for the duration. On the upside, they were advised that they would eventually have the opportunity to join another regular training unit and start the whole process over again (the first week was the worst).

However, return to regular duty could only happen once they demonstrated sufficient commitment to the Corps and its principles. This was to be achieved through obedience to lawful orders, setting an example of commitment and leadership to the newer arrivals, and exhibiting an understanding of the importance of breaking concrete to the mission of the Corps. Most importantly, they must demonstrate understanding of and adherence to, the oath the took when they were sworn in.

The one individual who left our unit never returned, but we did pick up a concrete class graduate from an earlier training unit. As I recall, he did well. Most recruits who earned to this special assignment returned to another training unit and completed basic training. For those who the Corps deemed it would be better off without, there were (eventually) administrative discharges, including entry level separations for those physically unable to complete training.

If the Trumpster insurrectionist nut jobs in their tacticool gear with their runic patches and confederate flags want to be considered as an army of patriots, or paramilitary freedom fighters - great. When they are arrested and awaiting trial, there should be plenty of opportunity for best available basic training at a certain Marine Corps base construction site near San Diego, or the MCRD Parris Island swamp. A select set eager USMC Drill Instructors would be standing by to serve at either location. Special emphasis during retraining could be placed on proper understanding of, and adherence to, the Constitution.

Better yet, I hear there is room opening up at Guantanamo Bay. Guards there are specially trained in handling inmates who fancy themselves as freedom fighters. I hear that trial dates there are hard to come by.
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[DrW]

Further to the post above and relevant to the idea that some of the insurrectionists were (claimed to be) members of a "lawful" militia obeying the orders of the President: to be a lawful militia (National Guard, etc.) one would need to have been sworn in as such.

Enlisted Oath: I, ___, do solemnly swear (or
affirm) that I will support and defend the
Constitution of the United States against all
enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will
bear true faith and allegiance to the
same; and that I will obey the orders of the
president of the United States and the orders
of the officers appointed over me, according
to regulations and the Uniform Code
of Military Justice. So help me God.

*Articles 90 and 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice make it clear that it is only crime to disobey a lawful order of a superior commissioned officer.

Since any order from President Trump as president to a militia to interfere with Congress in carrying out their constitutional duty would have been seditious and therefore unlawful (Congress is a co-equal branch of the government), the insurrectionists would appear to have no justification in law for their actions.

[dantana]

One of the most effective deprogramming and re-education strategies out there is that used by the US Marine Corps. The reputation of Marine Corps Boot Camp as a place where one is broken down and rebuilt in the image of the Corps is well deserved. Vietnam era draftees who had the mistaken belief that bad behavior would be a ticket back to civilian life from boot camp were assigned to a special unit. The unit had nothing to do but break up concrete with sledge hammers. If the unfortunate recruit's bad conduct warranted it, there might even be an intermediate stop off in the base brig on the way to the concrete pile.

New concrete recruits were informed that their enlistment was for two years and there was plenty of concrete to be broken for the duration. On the upside, they were advised that they would eventually have the opportunity to join another regular training unit and start the whole process over again (the first week was the worst).

However, return to regular duty could only happen once they demonstrated sufficient commitment to the Corps and its principles. This was to be achieved through obedience to lawful orders, setting an example of commitment and leadership to the newer arrivals, and exhibiting an understanding of the importance of breaking concrete to the mission of the Corps. Most importantly, they must demonstrate understanding of and adherence to, the oath the took when they were sworn in.

The one individual who left our unit never returned, but we did pick up a concrete class graduate from an earlier training unit. As I recall, he did well. Most recruits who earned to this special assignment returned to another training unit and completed basic training. For those who the Corps deemed it would be better off without, there were (eventually) administrative discharges, including entry level separations for those physically unable to complete training.

If the Trumpster insurrectionist nut jobs in their tacticool gear with their runic patches and confederate flags want to be considered as an army of patriots, or paramilitary freedom fighters - great. When they are arrested and awaiting trial, there should be plenty of opportunity for best available basic training at a certain Marine Corps base construction site near San Diego, or the MCRD Parris Island swamp. A select set eager USMC Drill Instructors would be standing by to serve at either location. Special emphasis during retraining could be placed on proper understanding of, and adherence to, the Constitution.

Better yet, I hear there is room opening up at Guantanamo Bay. Guards there are specially trained in handling inmates who fancy themselves as freedom fighters. I hear that trial dates there are hard to come by.
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I'm with you on this one DrW. I'm not totally sure it's a one size fits all though. Take for example breeds of dogs. If one were to shake a whipping stick at certain breeds of dog, one episode could induce a lifetime anxiety disorder in the creature. Other breeds though, blue heeler types for example, require a daily head cracking just to get their attention. Anybody who squawks at this assumed mistreatment of animals has never owned a working cattle dog.

But, since the justice dept. isn't too keen on applying punishments to people based upon their phych evaluation... I'm pretty sure this analogy isn't very useful in helping solve any of the current problems.

[DrW]

If the Trumpster insurrectionist nut jobs in their tacticool gear with their runic patches and confederate flags want to be considered as an army of patriots, or paramilitary freedom fighters - great. When they are arrested and awaiting trial, there should be plenty of opportunity for best available basic training at a certain Marine Corps base construction site near San Diego, or the MCRD Parris Island swamp. A select set eager USMC Drill Instructors would be standing by to serve at either location. Special emphasis during retraining could be placed on proper understanding of, and adherence to, the Constitution.

Better yet, I hear there is room opening up at Guantanamo Bay. Guards there are specially trained in handling inmates who fancy themselves as freedom fighters. I hear that trial dates there are hard to come by.

I'm with you on this one DrW. I'm not totally sure it's a one size fits all though. Take for example breeds of dogs. If one were to shake a whipping stick at certain breeds of dog, one episode could induce a lifetime anxiety disorder in the creature. Other breeds though, blue heeler types for example, require a daily head cracking just to get their attention. Anybody who squawks at this assumed mistreatment of animals has never owned a working cattle dog.

But, since the justice dept. isn't too keen on applying punishments to people based upon their psych evaluation... I'm pretty sure this analogy isn't very useful in helping solve any of the current problems.

You are right, dantana. An astoundingly wide variety of folks participated. The special kind of training I suggested should be reserved for the "blue heeler" types.

Particularly disturbing were the sworn police officers from other jurisdictions and the veterans, including the woman who was shot and the retired AF LTC. I could not believe that latter idiot. He came in tactical gear with handgun in a holster and a bunch of the plastic strip ties used for handcuffs stuffed in his pocket.

His special preparation lent credibility to the charge that there was a plan to capture Pence, and possibly other "traitors", and hold them as hostages in negotiations with the House and Senate to overturn the election. If investigation of this delusional and stupid sounding charge proves valid, those who instigated it should be get sentences the 10-20 year range and loss of benefits if they are retired military.

Anyone who physically attacked LEOs at the barricades, or who entered and directly assaulted or threatened anyone authorized to be in the building, should be candidates for special training, especially if they claim to belong to a militia. Those who crossed the crossed the barricades or entered the building should be cited. Anyone who committed felony or misdemeanor vandalism of federal property should be punished in accordance with the law and emerge with a criminal record.

[dantana]

His special preparation lent credibility to the charge that there was a plan to capture Pence, and possibly other "traitors", and hold them as hostages in negotiations with the House and Senate to overturn the election.

About all I can figure is these Right side rangers are just so lost in their confirmation bias and Dunning Kruger disease that they are basically hopeless.

What I think is going on is, similar to Trump at his rallies, where he looks out at the mass of adoring fans and somehow deduces that this must mean most of America is on his side. These idiots stormed the capitol thinking America would rise up and come to their rescue. I like how Rep. Swalwell put it. (paraphrased) "Um... we have the nukes." Meaning - all the varmint guns and pitchforks in the land are not going to overthrow the U.S. military...

Dantana adds - fat chance Trump is going to succeed in a coup of the military.