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Chap wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 pm
Yup. Straight factual ignorance here. COVID-19 vaccines do not contain material from aborted babies. So no-one is "injecting aborted babies into [their] bodies" when they are vaccinated against COVID-19.
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I'm amused that Mormons are apparently willing to let their leaders tell women how many earrings they can have---even though none of them are women---but they won't listen to their prophet on this vaccine, even though the guy's a doctor.

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Good Lord. 25k tweets. Imagine being an average Joe and using Twitter because you think it matters...

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Will Schryver! Now there's a name that brings back memories of fun on Mormon Discussions ...

But inevitably he got the worst of things, and left the scene. Although one remembers some of this comments about female posters with distaste (I seem to recall that DrC once challenged him to step into the boxing ring to sort things out), he did at least have a position to defend that actually had some objective content that could be shown to be false. Not like the jellyfish we get today.

For his sake, I hope that the great majority of the fellow Mormons he spends his time with will get vaccinated for his protection, even if he does not extend the same consideration to them.
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Dr. E wrote:Ever thought that the Q phenomenon might be a hoax designed to make republicans look foolish? It certainly has if it wasn't intentional. However, the nonsense of prophesying that something was continually about to happen seems like someone was riffing on what so many crazy supposed "prophets" and "prophetesses" have done over the years.
Not a chance. First of all, Republicans don't need Q to look foolish. Just look at "stop the steal". While Sidney ultimately resorted to QAnon material to back her lawsuits, that movement had nothing to do with Q. Republicans have been increasingly influenced by 4chan in general, Q being its most notable production, but there's plenty of other material, in particular anti-Semitic memes, especially memes that involve George Soros.

The biggest problem with conspiracy theories is the predictive powers it grants the conspirators. Nobody could have invented Q with results so targeted. The original Q is obviously just some random and unoriginal troll on 4chan who was a little more clever than his peers, but who got incredibly lucky. To make any kind of a case at all for Q serving a higher purpose, you'd have to not look at Q so much, who is rando, but the influencers who brought Q into the mainstream. Based on the little I've read here, they should all be easily tied to fringe Republicans. To my understanding, some of the heaviest promoters were the Ramtha crowd.

Q's material is entirely unoriginal and so the crazy kind of prophecies certainly are just rehashing tropes and themes from extant conspiracy lore.
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Chap wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:15 pm
(I seem to recall that DrC once challenged him to step into the boxing ring to sort things out),
I would like to note that those days are behind me. I feel a little cringed out about trying to kick his ass (and that of Texas what's-his-face). I mean. I would've absolutely done it at the time, but being a little older, definitely more mellowed out, and having exercised some of those post-Mormon demons I look back and feel some shame. Just a tiny bit.

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I would like to note that those days are behind me. I feel a little cringed out about trying to kick his ass (and that of Texas what's-his-face). I mean. I would've absolutely done it at the time, but being a little older, definitely more mellowed out, and having exercised some of those post-Mormon demons I look back and feel some shame. Just a tiny bit.
Fascinating how that works. While you have "mellowed out", the apologists have only become more extreme as they age. Schryver himself has lowered from where Chap noted him at to an anti-mask conspiracy theorist. Kiwi57 and DCP have both given Schryver a free pass about his blog, which may have contributed to people actually dying in reality.

Midgley's crusade around the world to confront Gina Colvin might be the most extreme Mopologetic mission he's undertaken in his life, and during his twilight years. John Gee's extreme publishing is taking place at the apex of his academic career, not as an angsty grad student. Even a younger DCP actually did substance at one time.

To be fair though, Stan barker commented on Shields in recent years that he's mellowed out with age and that's why he's dropped from the scene. The angry clutches of Mopologetics can be escaped from for those willing to confront their demons in a positive fashion.
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Chap wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:15 pm
Although one remembers some of this comments about female posters with distaste
Indeed. We're about to hit the 10-year-anniversary of my famous thread. (I regret nothing.)
Chap wrote:(I seem to recall that DrC once challenged him to step into the boxing ring to sort things out)
I'm due for my blue belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu soon. Accidentally gave a 6'4" 220-lb teammate a black eye once.

If any asses need to be kicked, I'm getting there. :lol:
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MsJack wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 6:24 pm

I'm due for my blue belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu soon. Accidentally gave a 6'4" 220-lb teammate a black eye once.

If any asses need to be kicked, I'm getting there. :lol:
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Would it be possible for us to submit a list of names for your consideration?
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Gadianton wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:38 am
QAnon has become this broad phenomena, and I think if there is one factor shared more than others, it's low education.
Huh: yeah, maybe what I thought of as strong need for stupidity was really a need for low education. There's some correlation; I think that some kinds of education need more intelligence to attain, and on the other hand education can sharpen intelligence a lot. But maybe education is really the main active ingredient here.

I think that if it's not yet a platitude then it should be, to say that the main purpose of education has become resistance to disinformation. I'm not really sure how it works, though. It's not just a matter of absorbing a lot of bits, because you can absorb a lot of bits that are nonsense. On the other hand there does seem to be some need for absorbing new bits. If you sit alone on a desert isle pondering you might get enlightened, perhaps, but I don't think you'll ever get educated.

People like to say "critical thinking" but it's starting to bother me that that term itself may be a meaningless shibboleth of the very kind that we're trying to avoid by doing critical thinking. What exactly does it mean? And then how do we teach it?
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