Here is the Evidence... Election 2020, Covid 19, Capitol Protest

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Re: Here is the Evidence... Election 2020, Covid 19, Capitol Protest

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Chap wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:28 pm

B. Having said that, I do not have the impression that we are eating one another in his absence.
Not yet.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:38 pm
Chap wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:28 pm

B. Having said that, I do not have the impression that we are eating one another in his absence.
Not yet.
For pity's sake restrain yourself, woman.

Stop looking at me in that famished way and shaking your ketchup bottle ...
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Chap wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:11 pm
Jersey Girl wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:38 pm


Not yet.
For pity's sake restrain yourself, woman.

Stop looking at me in that famished way and shaking your ketchup bottle ...
:lol: has she inquired about your weight yet?.....
[Mulder and Scully, thinking they were stuck on a rock after their boat sank, in the middle of a lake, 'where there (might) be monsters....']

Fox Mulder : Hey Scully, do you you think you could ever cannibalize someone? I mean, if you really had to?

Dana Scully : Well, as much as the very idea is abhorrent to me, I suppose, under certain conditions, a living entity is practically conditioned to perform whatever extreme measures are necessary to ensure its survival. I suppose I'm no different.

Fox Mulder : You've lost some weight recently, haven't you?

Dana Scully : Yeah, actually, I have. Thanks for notic...

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Good news! Shades is back on the board:

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I felt like this post I read on Reddit does a good job at countering misinformation about Trump’s role in the pandemic:

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comme ... d/gornyw6/
In 2009, the Obama-Biden administration launched a $200-million pandemic early-warning program called PREDICT, which trained and supported staff in 60 foreign laboratories to stop and prevent pandemics, including the Wuhan lab that identified Covid19. This initiative identified 1,200 different viruses that had the potential to erupt into pandemics, including more than 160 novel coronaviruses.

This is the initiative that put a stop to viruses before they became pandemics. They warned airports and health agencies. They stop air traffic coming to the US. They initiated contact tracing and identification. They were the ones who stopped pandemics hundreds of times in the past 10 years, and were doing it right up until September 2019.
In September 2019, just as hospitals in Wuhan started filling up due to an unknown disease, the Trump administration ended this $200-million pandemic early-warning program.

Every infectious disease expert immediately raised alarm with Trump's decision. The Washington Post wrote a scathing article saying we're not prepared for a pandemic. Biden famously tweeted that Trump's rollbacks left us vulnerable.
The program, which was just shut down, would have known as early as September 2019 something earth shattering was happening in China's healthcare (Check out satellite images that show hospitals filling up in September 2019). This is when our country would have otherwise mobilized. Per protocol, they would have initiated travel advisories, alerted Customs and Border Protection, and traced every person with the virus who was coming to America. This would have cost some money, but it was doable. (Think H1N1 Swine Flu, and how America stopped it from turning into a full blown pandemic though it raged in China...or think H5N1 H5N1 Avian Flu and how we stopped it though China had to do mass quarantines)

After two months of spread, the first official case was in November in China. This was still enough time to prevent spread.
By December 13th, 2019, the first infections started coming to America. It was likely here earlier, but remember, this program would have stopped it three months prior.

I am in weekly meetings with Federal Protective Services. Their most popular deployment is Mardi Gras, where dozens of agents all volunteer to go down to protect the event. FPS explained that during Mardi Gras, people were coming into the hospitals with flu-like symptoms, being tested and found negative for flu, and were released into the public where they kept partying. The PREDICT program would have put all of the hospitals in America on high alert. Instead, hospitals were releasing people into the public without any warning.

It took four months of Trump calling it a hoax before any public response was made.

The response was lukewarm at best. As late as August, Trump was doing what he could to hamper testing efforts, claiming it predominantly hurt blue states. You recall Kushner refusing assistance to New York by saying "That's their problem". (For those who feel raw about this, remember that during the second wave of coronavirus, red states were absolutely obliterated, and far outweighed blue states in new cases and deaths because they refused to acknowledge it was real, and refused to wear masks, some states going so far as to outlaw attempts to wear masks)

Trump rejected 200 MILLION Pfizer vaccine doses in the summer. In November 2020, after losing the election, he rejected an additional 100 MILLION vaccine doses from Pfizer.

Trump is DIRECTLY responsible for the spread of coronavirus. If he had not shut down the PREDICT program, this would not have happened. I mean, it could be a coincidence that we had no pandemics in the past 10 years, then the very month Trump shut down the program, a pandemic started spreading, but you'd have to be a Trump supporter to believe that.
I recommend clicking on the link if you want to check out embedded sourcing.

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Monday rejected a handful of cases related to the 2020 election, including disputes from Pennsylvania that had deeply divided the justices just before the election.

The cases the justices rejected involved election challenges filed by former President Donald Trump and his allies in five states President Joe Biden won: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Other than two Pennsylvania disputes, the justices’ decision not to hear the cases was unsurprising but ends months of legal wrangling. The court had previously taken no action in those cases and in January had turned away pleas that the cases be fast-tracked, again suggesting the justices were not interested in hearing them.


https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-do ... 44b979bcec

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2AF1G1
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Rudy Giuliani, Frequent Purveyor Of Misinformation, Warns Of The Dangers Of Misinformation

https://abovethelaw.com/2021/03/rudy-gi ... formation/
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:42 pm
I felt like this post I read on Reddit does a good job at countering misinformation about Trump’s role in the pandemic:

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comme ... d/gornyw6/

I recommend clicking on the link if you want to check out embedded sourcing.

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This is even worse than I thought it was! Now it is obvious that Trump did not merely screw up the response to the pandemic, he actually caused it to happen in the first place! This makes Trump not merely incompetent, but one of the worst mass murderers in history! I don't think it is the slightest bit hyperbolic to accuse him of that! Unfortunately, there are too many brainwashed Trump sycophants who will adamantly refuse to believe anything bad about Trump, no matter how abundant and compelling the evidence. Either that, or they just don't care how bad Trump is as long as they continue to believe Trump will actually give them something they want.

ETA: When one reads the commentaries and other links associated with that link, as you recommended, the horror of what Trump did and failed to do becomes ever more obvious. I don't think it is any exaggeration to say that Trump could not have damaged our country more, or endangered the entire world more, even if that were his deliberate intent. If anyone fits the definition of the "Anti-Christ" it is Donald J. Trump! :x :evil: :twisted:
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The only upside I can think of to Trump's dismantling of the Obama-Biden PREDICT pandemic response plan and team is that had Trump not done so, and the covid-19 pandemic had consequently been nipped in the bud before it became widespread, there would not have been an all out, desperate urgency to develop effective vaccines and drugs to mitigate the disease and its symptoms, and we might still not have either the vaccines or the knowledge of which drugs (such as fluvoxamine) are effective in preventing or treating it, but neither would there have been as obvious or urgent a need for them.
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