Pahoran wrote:I absolutely practice what I preach. No matter how many lies you tell, I still do not have enough knowledge to predict your eternal reward.
Regards, Pahoran
For some reason, I had this flashback to the villain in the Disney Aladdin saying, "And now you shall have your reward ... your eternal reward! mwahahaha!!"
Pahoran wrote:I absolutely practice what I preach. No matter how many lies you tell, I still do not have enough knowledge to predict your eternal reward.
Regards, Pahoran
For some reason, I had this flashback to the villain in the Disney Aladdin saying, "And now you shall have your reward ... your eternal reward! mwahahaha!!"
Pahoran wrote:No "real Mormon" knows to what extent Jerald was accountable for his actions...In which case, "real Mormonism" holds that the Lord will be merciful.
Really? I think I know a LOT of Scotsmen who eat sugar on their porridge.
Joseph Smith masquerading as Nephi wrote:Wo unto the liar, for he shall be thrust down to hell. (2 Ne. 9: 34)
And since we can't get an honest answer about what exactly "hell" is, according to Mormon theology and its oft used references in the scriptures, Paul could be right. Perhaps "burning in hell" is a good thing. You don't know.
I like Paul, too.
"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder" --Homer Simpson's version of Pascal's Wager
Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool.
Religion is ignorance reduced to a system.
I haven't had alot of interaction with Paul, but I will say I have a problem with anyone representing the church condemning and damning others. Calling to repentence in a caring and loving manner is not a problem, but agressive and hateful rhetoric only serve to damn the speaker. It is a good thing to stand on solid ground and declare it as such, but when we attack someone personaly as opposed to attacking a false belief, we leave good ground for ugly battle ground that the Spirit of the Lord will have no part of.
In regards to Hell:
D&C 76:25-38
25 And this we saw also, and bear record, that an angel of God who was in authority in the presence of God, who rebelled against the Only Begotten Son whom the Father loved and who was in the bosom of the Father, was thrust down from the presence of God and the Son,
26 And was called Perdition, for the heavens wept over him—he was Lucifer, a son of the morning.
27 And we beheld, and lo, he is fallen! is fallen, even a son of the morning!
28 And while we were yet in the Spirit, the Lord commanded us that we should write the vision; for we beheld Satan, that old serpent, even the devil, who rebelled against God, and sought to take the kingdom of our God and his Christ—
29 Wherefore, he maketh war with the saints of God, and encompasseth them round about.
30 And we saw a vision of the sufferings of those with whom he made war and overcame, for thus came the voice of the Lord unto us:
31 Thus saith the Lord concerning all those who know my power, and have been made partakers thereof, and suffered themselves through the power of the devil to be overcome, and to deny the truth and defy my power—
32 They are they who are the sons of perdition, of whom I say that it had been better for them never to have been born;
33 For they are vessels of wrath, doomed to suffer the wrath of God, with the devil and his angels in eternity;
34 Concerning whom I have said there is no forgiveness in this world nor in the world to come—
35 Having denied the Holy Spirit after having received it, and having denied the Only Begotten Son of the Father, having crucified him unto themselves and put him to an open shame.
36 These are they who shall go away into the lake of fire and brimstone, with the devil and his angels—
37 And the only ones on whom the second death shall have any power;
38 Yea, verily, the only ones who shall not be redeemed in the due time of the Lord, after the sufferings of his wrath.
Notice the place of the Devil and his angels is referred to as Hell. The Lake of Fire and brimstone is figurative and not literal, for light and heat are found in heaven, not Hell. Hell is reserved for those who have had a witness of the Holy Ghost, and then rejected it. it is a place of sadness and regret, regret and despair compareable to licking flames and eternal torment, Knowing what could have been enjoyed if only they had been faithful.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
Gazelam wrote:<snip the boring, irrelevant drivel having nothing to do with "hell"> 36 These are they who shall go away into the lake of fire and brimstone, with the devil and his angels— <snip more> The Lake of Fire and brimstone is figurative and not literal, for light and heat are found in heaven, not Hell.
Okay...Where's it say that the Brimstone Lake is "figurative" and "not literal"? If you're going to be an apologist, please prove your assertions.
Thanks.
"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder" --Homer Simpson's version of Pascal's Wager
Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool.
Religion is ignorance reduced to a system.
"..... This lake of fire, a figure symbolical of eternal anguish and wo, is also called hell reserved exclusively for the devil and his angels which includes the sons of perdition." Mormon Doctrine p.351
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
I loved to see posters like Paul. Non LDS lurkers will see the true Mormon in him and be turned off.
I love to see posters like Pah, DCP, Wade, etc. Pompous pious attitudes like theirs helps doubting Mormons get out of the box.
Keep up the FLDS attitudes Paul, between you scaring and me revealing, we can help keep more non Mormons, non Mormon.
Keep spewing hatred and blaming the doubters Pah, with you pushing and me pulling, we can get more members out of the chapel.
Thanks guys, we make a great team inside and outside of the Mormon church!
Thanks to Shades for this board, Gorden for the other board, and Eric for the RfM board. I send all of my non Mormon friends to all three. My brother lurking RfM and Fairboards help me get him to see the light and he and his family are out.
Gazelam wrote:"..... This lake of fire, a figure symbolical of eternal anguish and wo, is also called hell reserved exclusively for the devil and his angels which includes the sons of perdition." Mormon Doctrine p.351
Now, where are all of the apologists who like to distance themselves from McConkie when they want his book to be a non-authoritative source?
I thought only the Standard Works could be trusted. Now some commercial publication is enough?
Oh! Right! It's authoritative when you need it to be.
"Suppose we've chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder" --Homer Simpson's version of Pascal's Wager
Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool.
Religion is ignorance reduced to a system.
Gazelam wrote:"..... This lake of fire, a figure symbolical of eternal anguish and wo, is also called hell reserved exclusively for the devil and his angels which includes the sons of perdition." Mormon Doctrine p.351
Now, where are all of the apologists who like to distance themselves from McConkie when they want his book to be a non-authoritative source?
I thought only the Standard Works could be trusted. Now some commercial publication is enough?
Oh! Right! It's authoritative when you need it to be.
Just like the word of wisdom... later joe clairfies.. oh ehhh hemmm! Ahh hot drinks... ahhh coffee and tea! Yeah!
What about iced coffee or tea? Ahhh shooot! they did not have refrigeration back then, so how was the profit ta know?
Richard Abanes nailed it when he said there are no standards in the LDS church. Depends on the time, place, and person...