healing/recovery through venting?

[_Mercury]

Some of Ray A.'s astute comments on another thread motivated me to devote a thread specifically to the question whether or not venting, particularly unstructured "venting" like what occurs at RFM, is an effective means of recovery/healing.

Could someone who thinks you can heal/recover from venting, please explain the alleged therapeutic dynamic?

I am interested to see if this same alleged therapeutic dynamic works with anti-Semites when they "vent" against Jews.

Thanks, -Wade

Emotional rape, as occurs when someone si manipulated and steered by their nose can only be recovered through an outpouring of emotion. Your continual irrational denial of others right to evoke anger and frustration is itself an arrogant and ignorant response to valid feelings. If you believe that sentiments of individuals controlled by an organization such as the corporation of the presidency of the LDS church are invalid then you truly do not understand the reasoning behind these emotions. Of course, your sole purpose in drawing attention to the "hate speech" is to remove the validity of these emotions.

In youjr effort to become a counselor, the only state that would give you certification as such would be Utah...or maybee some south american backwater.

[_Mercury]

I find it interesting that the 2 guys, Ray and Wade who are expressing concern about the pyschological well being of posters on RFM and claim they are concerned that venting on the board is no good for posters there, are the last 2 one would want to emulate on how to live a successful life. Ray lives alone, in his 50's, so poor he can barely buy a book (last I heard) a failed marriage. He has problems controlling his temper. tWade I believe in his 50's, never married, no kids. Yet these 2 are giving advice on how to live well and deal with others..it's priceless.

Neither of them, in my opinion care about posters on RFM and their well being. Both these men, appear to be self absorbed and by all accounts by many people would be considered failures in life. I think what really is bother them is that criticisms of Mormonism which they identify with personally, hurts their egos.

That is interesting as well as illustrative. Here you are dismissing certain people as losers rather than reasonably and rationally engage what they are insightfully saying. Your husband must love that characteristic in you. ;-)

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

Marg is right wade. Your a loser. Realise that you are so because you've been chasing "eternal marriage" your whole life.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Wade,

I have facilitated a number of groups dealing with various issues, including domestic violence and sexual assault.

My observation is that many survivors of abuse find it beneficial and healing to share their experiences, their pain, their sorrows, their frustration, and their anger.

I find as humans, we each have our own way of dealing with the pain, struggles and sorrows of life. For some, finding support, a listening ear, or a way to release the pain during the difficult times can be extremely helpful.

~dancer~

[_Pahoran]

I find it interesting that the 2 guys, Ray and Wade who are expressing concern about the pyschological well being of posters on RFM and claim they are concerned that venting on the board is no good for posters there, are the last 2 one would want to emulate on how to live a successful life. Ray lives alone, in his 50's, so poor he can barely buy a book (last I heard) a failed marriage. He has problems controlling his temper. tWade I believe in his 50's, never married, no kids. Yet these 2 are giving advice on how to live well and deal with others..it's priceless.

Neither of them, in my opinion care about posters on RFM and their well being. Both these men, appear to be self absorbed and by all accounts by many people would be considered failures in life. I think what really is bother them is that criticisms of Mormonism which they identify with personally, hurts their egos.

And let us all remember: only Mormon apologists use the ad hominem fallacy.

Regards,
Pahoran

[_Mercury]

I find it interesting that the 2 guys, Ray and Wade who are expressing concern about the pyschological well being of posters on RFM and claim they are concerned that venting on the board is no good for posters there, are the last 2 one would want to emulate on how to live a successful life. Ray lives alone, in his 50's, so poor he can barely buy a book (last I heard) a failed marriage. He has problems controlling his temper. tWade I believe in his 50's, never married, no kids. Yet these 2 are giving advice on how to live well and deal with others..it's priceless.

Neither of them, in my opinion care about posters on RFM and their well being. Both these men, appear to be self absorbed and by all accounts by many people would be considered failures in life. I think what really is bother them is that criticisms of Mormonism which they identify with personally, hurts their egos.

And let us all remember: only Mormon apologists use the ad hominem fallacy.

Regards,
Pahoran

Among other logical fallacies, yes. It is built into the faith structure to do so. It is a given that FARMS will pull out AH to attack those who are interested in truth instead of a marginalized cult.

[_marg]

That is interesting as well as illustrative. Here you are dismissing certain people as losers rather than reasonably and rationally engage what they are insightfully saying. Your husband must love that characteristic in you. ;-)

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

I've addressed your point Wade but you didn't pick up on it. I'll repeat...the RFM board contrary to your perception is not filled (the majority) with angry posts. You perceive posts which are critical of Mormonism as angry posts but being critical does not mean a person is angry.

Sure I've seen some posts which express anger, but they aren't the majority. Even so anger is appropriate at times.

You identify personally with Mormonism, that is your ego is tied to Mormonism and so you feel personally attacked when Mormonism is criticized..that is your real problem with RFM.

[_marg]

And let us all remember: only Mormon apologists use the ad hominem fallacy.

It is only a fallacy when used to divert attention away from the real issues of a discussion. Since Wade and Ray are giving advice...it is important to the discussion what their qualifications are for giving advice.

Mormon apologists from my observations of the FAIR board employ ad hominem as a way to shift focus off the issues and onto the critic. And I don't blame them really. It is very difficult to argue for something when practically all the evidence doesn't support the claim or claims.

[_wenglund]

Some of Ray A.'s astute comments on another thread motivated me to devote a thread specifically to the question whether or not venting, particularly unstructured "venting" like what occurs at RFM, is an effective means of recovery/healing.

Could someone who thinks you can heal/recover from venting, please explain the alleged therapeutic dynamic?

I am interested to see if this same alleged therapeutic dynamic works with anti-Semites when they "vent" against Jews.

Thanks, -Wade

Emotional rape, as occurs when someone si manipulated and steered by their nose can only be recovered through an outpouring of emotion. Your continual irrational denial of others right to evoke anger and frustration is itself an arrogant and ignorant response to valid feelings. If you believe that sentiments of individuals controlled by an organization such as the corporation of the presidency of the LDS church are invalid then you truly do not understand the reasoning behind these emotions. Of course, your sole purpose in drawing attention to the "hate speech" is to remove the validity of these emotions.

In youjr effort to become a counselor, the only state that would give you certification as such would be Utah...or maybee some south american backwater.

I appreciate you sharing these emotions. Were you intending this as an object lesson?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_wenglund]

Hi Wade,

I have facilitated a number of groups dealing with various issues, including domestic violence and sexual assault.

My observation is that many survivors of abuse find it beneficial and healing to share their experiences, their pain, their sorrows, their frustration, and their anger.

I find as humans, we each have our own way of dealing with the pain, struggles and sorrows of life. For some, finding support, a listening ear, or a way to release the pain during the difficult times can be extremely helpful.

~dancer~

Am I correct in assuming that this "sharing" is under the guidance of a therapist?

If so, would you recommend this kind of "sharing" in an unstructured environment, outside the facilitation of a therapist--say, like on the Jerry Springer Show, or its online equivolencies?

Is it a therapeutic technique, or a means to gain insight that may be used to heal? In other words, does venting heal the patient, or perhaps simply enable the patient to be healed through various proven interventions?

Does this same technique work for people with dysfunctional and/or male-adaptive social skills, or those with mild to moderate levels of disorders like borderline personalities, narcissists, paranoid delusional, schitzophrenia, etc.?

Would this "sharing" be advised for those suffering from prejudices and bigotry--such as White Supremicists who feel hurt, angry, and victimized by Jews and Blacks?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Pahoran]

I find it interesting that the 2 guys, Ray and Wade who are expressing concern about the pyschological well being of posters on RFM and claim they are concerned that venting on the board is no good for posters there, are the last 2 one would want to emulate on how to live a successful life. Ray lives alone, in his 50's, so poor he can barely buy a book (last I heard) a failed marriage. He has problems controlling his temper. tWade I believe in his 50's, never married, no kids. Yet these 2 are giving advice on how to live well and deal with others..it's priceless.

Neither of them, in my opinion care about posters on RFM and their well being. Both these men, appear to be self absorbed and by all accounts by many people would be considered failures in life. I think what really is bother them is that criticisms of Mormonism which they identify with personally, hurts their egos.

And let us all remember: only Mormon apologists use the ad hominem fallacy.

Regards,
Pahoran

Among other logical fallacies, yes.

No.

It is built into the faith structure to do so.

No. It is not.

It is a given that FARMS will pull out AH to attack those who are interested in truth instead of a marginalized cult.

And as a "given"--i.e. an article of your unfaith--it is never questioned; while actual examples of it being used by your fellow-haters get breezily ignored.

Regards,
Pahoran