Mormonisms social caste system - My Personal Experience

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Southern Redneck wrote:Back on subject.

I think the whole issue of social classes in the church due to income is nonsense. All churches suffer from that to one point. That is not a Mormon issue alone.

The classes based on Harmony's list IS a subject worth looking into.


The whole church is a business that feeds off the membership. Its a caste system born out of herding the flock, tax farming them for everything thtey can and using the funds at the highest level to feed building contractors, land deals, etc.

Its a business masquerading as a religion.
And crawling on the planet's face
Some insects called the human race
Lost in time
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VegasRefugee wrote:Its a business masquerading as a religion.


That's my rather reluctant conclusion, as well. The church is about two things: growth and income, and not much more.
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VegasRefugee wrote:
Southern Redneck wrote:Back on subject.

I think the whole issue of social classes in the church due to income is nonsense. All churches suffer from that to one point. That is not a Mormon issue alone.

The classes based on Harmony's list IS a subject worth looking into.


The whole church is a business that feeds off the membership. Its a caste system born out of herding the flock, tax farming them for everything thtey can and using the funds at the highest level to feed building contractors, land deals, etc.

Its a business masquerading as a religion.


While I wouldn't go so far as to label the Church a "business," at least not in the usual sense, I do think that there have been some morally dubious facets to the hierarchy's handling of power in this regard. For one thing, up until about thirty years ago, all of the Brethren held very high, CEO-type positions in various businesses. It was only after SWK set the example of relinquishing his position, and asking the rest of the Brethren to do the same, that this became the usual practice. (I believe that full compliance didn't happen until clear into the 1990s). Further, the treatment of misbehaving GAs such as Paul H. Dunn more or less pounds the final nail into the coffin as to whether or not there is a caste system in which some members receive preferential treatment. Steve Benson has written an interesting account about the "behind the scenes" red carpet at General Conference as well.

Coggins7 wrote:
VegasRefugee wrote::
This year and a half expierement taught me that the Mormon culture is a caste system in which a pool of willing serfs are shepherded by the Mormon elite.



No further quoting is necessary. I really, really don't know who you think your're fooling, how early you believe you have to get up in the moring to do it, and what quantities of psychotropic compounds are necessary to cauterize your conscience after each episode with these utterly hysterical screeds you keep posting. Nobody...nobody who actually knows faithful, practicing Mormons is ever going to believe you Vegas, and many of them are going to walk away from you with the terms liar, bigot, and ass running through their minds from the encounter.


And yet the books do indeed remain closed. "[F]aithful, practicing Mormons" are kept in the dark about how tithing funds are spent, a fact that was alarming to no less than President J. Reuben Clark, especially in lieu of Elder Henry Moyle's bungling of Church finances, Baseball Baptism programs, rampant expansion, etc. Clark felt that public accountability was a good thing. Evidently, you do not.
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Abuse of position

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D&C 121:34-41

34 Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen?
35 Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men, that they do not learn this one lesson—
36 That the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness.
37 That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man.
38 Behold, ere he is aware, he is left unto himself, to kick against the pricks, to persecute the saints, and to fight against God.
39 We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion.
40 Hence many are called, but few are chosen.
41 No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood, only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned;

If what you say is true, those individuals damn themselves, and will be as salt that has lost its savor.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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VegasRefugee wrote:
Southern Redneck wrote:Back on subject.

I think the whole issue of social classes in the church due to income is nonsense. All churches suffer from that to one point. That is not a Mormon issue alone.

The classes based on Harmony's list IS a subject worth looking into.


The whole church is a business that feeds off the membership. Its a caste system born out of herding the flock, tax farming them for everything thtey can and using the funds at the highest level to feed building contractors, land deals, etc.

Its a business masquerading as a religion.



A very very big and powerful business that does not need to account for one thin dime...i wish I could operate my business's like that but no I have to account for every single friggin cent...or else I could go to JAIL
When I wake up I will be hungry....but this feels so good right now aaahhhhhh........
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Mister Scratch wrote:Clark felt that public accountability was a good thing. Evidently, you do not.


Cite please?

Do you have evidence that tithing funds are being misspent?
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harmony wrote:Is this man the only qualified good-hearted man in our stake? Heck, no! Most of the men in our stake could do what he does, but they are never given the chance, because they do not run in the same church-social circles as this man. They are not known to leaders up the food chain, and so they are never considered. This man (and a few others) is tapped over and over again to the point where it's ludicrous.


Ahh, the love of power for its own sake. And, to resent power one doesn't have. Your post is so transparent.

Odd as it may seem, the Church doesn't work that way although it is the ordinary evil nature of man to yearn for power and respect.
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Re: Abuse of position

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If what you say is true, those individuals damn themselves, and will be as salt that has lost its savor.


That doesn't help those who have felt the sting of ecclesiastical abuse, Gaz. Saying "you'll get yours" is small comfort to those who have been unrighteously dominated now.
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Re: Abuse of position

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harmony wrote:
If what you say is true, those individuals damn themselves, and will be as salt that has lost its savor.


That doesn't help those who have felt the sting of ecclesiastical abuse, Gaz. Saying "you'll get yours" is small comfort to those who have been unrighteously dominated now.


What if there's no afterlife? When exactly are these people going to "get theirs"?
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Plutarch wrote:
Mister Scratch wrote:Clark felt that public accountability was a good thing. Evidently, you do not.


Cite please?

Do you have evidence that tithing funds are being misspent?


$2.5 billion spent on a mall. 'Nuff said.
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