Would this make LDS proxy baptisms less offensive?

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Re: Would this make LDS proxy baptisms less offensive?

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harmony wrote:
If 20 million names are submitted a year by members, how are these names to be verified? The names come from a variety of sources, including oral tradition.


There's a very simple way to solve this problem: don't do 20 million names a year. Instead of doing all the names that are submitted, do only as many names as can be verified.

Simple solution.


How do you verify a name?


I have a name on a parish register. How does one determine that that person is not Jewish?
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Re: Would this make LDS proxy baptisms less offensive?

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Plutarch wrote:
harmony wrote:
If 20 million names are submitted a year by members, how are these names to be verified? The names come from a variety of sources, including oral tradition.


There's a very simple way to solve this problem: don't do 20 million names a year. Instead of doing all the names that are submitted, do only as many names as can be verified.

Simple solution.


How do you verify a name?


I have a name on a parish register. How does one determine that that person is not Jewish?


Again, simple: just do the names that are family names. That solves all the problems. Even if the names are Jewish, Buddhist, pagan, or Swahili, if they're family names, those who object can be told to complain to submitter: the family. That takes the verification off the church and puts it where it belongs: on the member submitting the names.
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Re: Would this make LDS proxy baptisms less offensive?

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harmony wrote:
Plutarch wrote:
harmony wrote:
If 20 million names are submitted a year by members, how are these names to be verified? The names come from a variety of sources, including oral tradition.


There's a very simple way to solve this problem: don't do 20 million names a year. Instead of doing all the names that are submitted, do only as many names as can be verified.

Simple solution.


How do you verify a name?


I have a name on a parish register. How does one determine that that person is not Jewish?


Again, simple: just do the names that are family names. That solves all the problems. Even if the names are Jewish, Buddhist, pagan, or Swahili, if they're family names, those who object can be told to complain to submitter: the family. That takes the verification off the church and puts it where it belongs: on the member submitting the names.


Huh? What kind of verification is that? [Incidentally, that is what the Church now does; any challenges are directed back to the submitter. If the submitted name is not a family member, and there is a complainant, the name is deleted.]

The Jewish complainants are complaining of any and all Jewish names, whether they be family members of patrons or not.
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Re: Would this make LDS proxy baptisms less offensive?

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Plutarch wrote:
harmony wrote:
Plutarch wrote:
harmony wrote:
If 20 million names are submitted a year by members, how are these names to be verified? The names come from a variety of sources, including oral tradition.


There's a very simple way to solve this problem: don't do 20 million names a year. Instead of doing all the names that are submitted, do only as many names as can be verified.

Simple solution.


How do you verify a name?


I have a name on a parish register. How does one determine that that person is not Jewish?


Again, simple: just do the names that are family names. That solves all the problems. Even if the names are Jewish, Buddhist, pagan, or Swahili, if they're family names, those who object can be told to complain to submitter: the family. That takes the verification off the church and puts it where it belongs: on the member submitting the names.


Huh? What kind of verification is that? [Incidentally, that is what the Church now does; any challenges are directed back to the submitter. If the submitted name is not a family member, and there is a complainant, the name is deleted.]

The Jewish complainants are complaining of any and all Jewish names, whether they be family members of patrons or not.


That was not my understanding. I thought they were complaining that names were taken from lists of Jews, Holocaust victims, etc., not that families were submitting names that were in their family line.
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