Mormon Doctor on Masturbation

[_Mephitus]

http://www.i4m.com/think/sexuality/masturbation_help.htm

Quick recap: Masturbation is not evil, Mormon leaders are wrong for saying so, trust the spirit, blah blah blah.

Masturbation was one of the main issues I had with the church. It felt good, it didn't hurt anyone, and it didn't particularly make me want to be a pervert (the perversion came after I tried quitting ^_^ ). My biggest problem was the fact that you had to ask for help from the bishop for it. It was one of those sins that you couldn't just deal with on your own. So, every time I saw the bishop... "Hey! How's the masturbation going?!" Even in public. Can't really trust an official like that.

Step 1: Convince others that a natural activity is a dirty sinful activity that turns you into a sex obsesssed, hairy palmed blind man

Step 2: ????

Step 3: Profit


The underpants gnomes strike again

HAHA, dude, i always love your posts. You make me laugh every time.

[_Mephitus]

I've often wondered why they're so against masturbation. My first thought was that if a man masturbates, than he's not as starved for sex. Hence he's not as willing to put up with the amount of problems necessary to have a relationship with a woman. Yet when most women have chosen to put off marriage, it really doesn't matter what the man does, does it? You're just suffering, for no apparent reason.

Is that what they're thinking? Why would they be wrong?

The whole masturbation thing comes down to the manufacture of guilt. If someone feels tehy are not meeting the space gods expectations they are more likely to compensate by submitting to tax farming (tithing), volunteering for missions, etc.

Yep, that's what it boils down to. Guilt, and lying. If they can make you feel guilty about a natural behavior, and lie about doing it. Then you are going to feel 2x as guilty and shamed about it. And are likely to overcompensate in other areas. Which means that behavioral control becomes easier since they have a "shame hold" on you. They then know that the people who continuously lie about something so inane and personal. Then they would be more likely and willing to "lie for the lord".

Much of the ideas behind this also give rise as to why there is circumcision. It was originaly done to stop young boys from being able to easily pleasure themselves. The idea was that physical pleasure brought you away from god. This idea was also extended and made worse by the victorian era ideas of that a man had only a limited amount of "seed" for his life, and by conserving it you would live longer. One other thing that lead people to be against it was that doctors noticed that patients in insane asylums would masturbate. And they thought they where adding 2+2=insane. When realisticaly, they where just being locked away in a cell, with no social interaction, what else was a guy going to do? It was seen as unhealthy for men also by such doctors as Dr Kellog (yes, the cereal guy) Look up some history on this nut job some time.

[_Gazelam]

The idea behind asking you to be morally clean and chaste is that you learn to control yourself. To overcome the physical and concern yourself with spiritual things. If a person is incapable of controling his own emotions and actions, how can he/she ever be entrusted with further responsibilities?

This is extrememly basic. Show a little maturity.

[_keene]

The idea behind asking you to be morally clean and chaste is that you learn to control yourself. To overcome the physical and concern yourself with spiritual things. If a person is incapable of controling his own emotions and actions, how can he/she ever be entrusted with further responsibilities?

This is extrememly basic. Show a little maturity.

Yet you make no effort at all to control your emotion of "the spirit." How can you be trusted if you can't learn to control yourself?

Control is important, abstinence is not control.

[_Gazelam]

The Holy Ghost is far more than emotion. The "burning in the bosum" is only half of the effects of the Spirit. The Holy Ghost is always accompanied by revelation. (D&C 8:2-3, 9:7-9)

Study more before your next attempt at sarcasm please.

[_Bryan Inks]

The Holy Ghost is far more than emotion. The "burning in the bosum" is only half of the effects of the Spirit. The Holy Ghost is always accompanied by revelation. (D&C 8:2-3, 9:7-9)

Study more before your next attempt at sarcasm please.

And yet you fail to address his rather concise point.

Abstinence is not control. Abstinence is abstinence. How can you control something about which you know nothing?

Now if you were wanking it 12 times a day, on the bus, at work, at the dinner table. . . then yes, control would be needed (in my opinion).

But to pleasure yourself a couple times a week in the privacy of your own home? Why the hell would God care? Unless he's a perverted stalker. . .

[_Yoda]

The idea behind asking you to be morally clean and chaste is that you learn to control yourself. To overcome the physical and concern yourself with spiritual things. If a person is incapable of controling his own emotions and actions, how can he/she ever be entrusted with further responsibilities?

This is extrememly basic. Show a little maturity.

How about the rule of moderation in all things? My view is this. If all you're doing is masterbating all day...if it's interfering in your ability to do your job, be with your family, etc., then yes, I would say that you have a problem.

If you relieve your sexual frustrations every once in a while because your spouse is sick, etc., what's the problem?

[_Mephitus]

The idea behind asking you to be morally clean and chaste is that you learn to control yourself. To overcome the physical and concern yourself with spiritual things. If a person is incapable of controling his own emotions and actions, how can he/she ever be entrusted with further responsibilities?

This is extrememly basic. Show a little maturity.

We are talking completely on the matters of COMPLETE abstinence.(which is the only position the church officially supports) The issue comes that MANY psychologists and doctors have shown study after study that show the benefits of masturbation. Both physically, mentally, and socially. Controll only comes into the picture when you have issues of abuse of something.

As an example of this. In one particular study, they took a chimp, and stopped him from masturbating every time he attempted, and would not allow him to see any sexual behavior. (this was done from birth) After a time, he was allowed to be sexual towards another chimp and was completely retarded in sexual matters. And was plagued for the rest of his life with an inability to perform on any level sexually.

Masturbation is BUILT IN to your brain from BEFORE birth! There are countless sonograms(spelling?), and intro-natal cameras, in which we see a pre-natal infant repeatedly touching their genitals to masturbate while still inside the womb.

This all comes back to the christian idea, that anything that brings pleasure or happiness aside from religion brings you farther away from the christian god. Im actualy legitimately surprised that the church does not take the posistion that some orthodox sects take, that sex is ONLY for procreative purposes. Anything else is a sin and a defilement of what god gave you.