Can you link us to conversations you've had with believers in which you attempt to get them to also take responsibility for their own dysfunctional and anti-social behavior?
Thanks in advance.
Pick from any one of my threads and post here that dealt with that subject matter, and you will find me speaking specifically about myself, as a believer, taking responsibility for my dysfunctional and anti-social behavior. Will that suffice?
Please also keep in mind that there are believers here to whom my oft generic comments would apply to as well.
Please also keep in mind that I was banned/queued from FAIR for attempting to do what I have been doing here, and since the critics predominate on this board, whereas the opposite seem true there, my comments overall have unavoidably been directed at the critics with whom I have had open access--though I have slipped in a few posts at MA&D that fit your request (I just don't wish to take the time searching for them, particularly since it isn't relevant to me helping you and others here).
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Wade, a couple of thoughts.
1) You have never, ever provided specific examples of critics' behavior that you aim to correct. The best you've ever been able to muster have been some pretty lame analogies involving yourself. 2) Beastie is right: although you most definitely have the opportunity to aim your "psychoanalysis" at TBMs, for whatever reason, you simply choose not to do this. 3) The threads you linked to are poor examples, since in each case your approach was thoroughly debunked.
Sorry, my dear Wade, but keep trying!
I appreciate you sharing this differing point of view with me even though I disagree with it and find it be more than a little closed-minded.
1) You have never, ever provided specific examples of critics' behavior that you aim to correct. The best you've ever been able to muster have been some pretty lame analogies involving yourself. 2) Beastie is right: although you most definitely have the opportunity to aim your "psychoanalysis" at TBMs, for whatever reason, you simply choose not to do this. 3) The threads you linked to are poor examples, since in each case your approach was thoroughly debunked.
Sorry, my dear Wade, but keep trying!
I appreciate you sharing this differing point of view with me even though I disagree with it and find it be more than a little closed-minded.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
What's "closed minded" about it? All I have ever asked for is specific examples. You have never provided them. I am totally waiting and open for specific examples. Why can't you provide them?
Fortigurn wrote: You're looking at those who have signed up, instead of those you've driven off. That's the shortsightedness which is symptomatic of shooting your wounded. Your idea of the tone improving is more LDS posters who don't question, and fewer LDS and critics who do. Why is it that you don't care about those LDS members you've failed to help, or driven away?
How would you suggest that these LDS members be helped in a way that doesn't show a lack of care for other LDS members and doesn't drive those other LDS members away?
I have some thoughts on this (see the link above on "Criticism"), but I would be interested to learn what you have to say.
Surely one would not point to this board as the model to emmulate--particularly given the depth and breath of repelling behaviors that are permitted to florrish here (though somewhat less pervasively than certain other antagonistic boards).
Fortigurn wrote: You're looking at those who have signed up, instead of those you've driven off. That's the shortsightedness which is symptomatic of shooting your wounded. Your idea of the tone improving is more LDS posters who don't question, and fewer LDS and critics who do. Why is it that you don't care about those LDS members you've failed to help, or driven away?
How would you suggest that these LDS members be helped in a way that doesn't show a lack of care for other LDS members and doesn't drive those other LDS members away?
I have some thoughts on this (see the link above on "Criticism"), but I would be interested to learn what you have to say.
Surely one would not point to this board as the model to emmulate--particularly given the depth and breath of repelling behaviors that are permitted to florrish here (though somewhat less pervasively than certain other antagonistic boards).
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
What "repelling behaviors," Wade? Why are you so shy about naming them?
why me wrote:They don't mind a disagreement but tone must be adequately respectful and the contention cannot seem to be coming from satan but from human reasoning. It is really that simple.
Huh? And how would this distinction be made between Satanic influence and human reasoning? And do most of the apologists think that there is a difference? I suppose the mods must have major spiritual discernment abilities to determine whether a post submitted over the tubes of the internets originates from satan or someone's noggin.
Sorry, but this must be one of the most bizarre attempts to define what "tone" is acceptable from critics.
I may be going to hell in a bucket, babe / But at least I'm enjoying the ride.
-Grateful Dead (lyrics by John Perry Barlow)
1) You have never, ever provided specific examples of critics' behavior that you aim to correct. The best you've ever been able to muster have been some pretty lame analogies involving yourself. 2) Beastie is right: although you most definitely have the opportunity to aim your "psychoanalysis" at TBMs, for whatever reason, you simply choose not to do this. 3) The threads you linked to are poor examples, since in each case your approach was thoroughly debunked.
Sorry, my dear Wade, but keep trying!
I appreciate you sharing this differing point of view with me even though I disagree with it and find it be more than a little closed-minded.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
What's "closed minded" about it? All I have ever asked for is specific examples. You have never provided them. I am totally waiting and open for specific examples. Why can't you provide them?
That is just it...I can't explain to your satisfaction what is closed-minded about it, precisely because your mind is closed. It is as if you put your hands over your eyes and ears and then say, "I don't see or hear any evidence...I keep asking for evidence...why don't you let me see or hear it?" As long as your mind is closed, you won't see or hear opposing evidence--including evidence that your mind is closed, and it does no good for me to continue trying to present you with it. It is an exercise in futility, and an attribute that you have which is understandably limiting at best, and off-putting at worse, when it comes to discussing disagreements, though sadly your mind is likely closed to even seeing and hearing this.
So, that is as much as I will say on the matter, and there may even be no value in me saying this much.
1) You have never, ever provided specific examples of critics' behavior that you aim to correct. The best you've ever been able to muster have been some pretty lame analogies involving yourself. 2) Beastie is right: although you most definitely have the opportunity to aim your "psychoanalysis" at TBMs, for whatever reason, you simply choose not to do this. 3) The threads you linked to are poor examples, since in each case your approach was thoroughly debunked.
Sorry, my dear Wade, but keep trying!
I appreciate you sharing this differing point of view with me even though I disagree with it and find it be more than a little closed-minded.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
What's "closed minded" about it? All I have ever asked for is specific examples. You have never provided them. I am totally waiting and open for specific examples. Why can't you provide them?
That is just it...I can't explain to your satisfaction what is closed-minded about it, precisely because your mind is closed. It is as if you put your hands over your eyes and ears and then say, "I don't see or hear any evidence...I keep asking for evidence...why don't you let me see or hear it?" As long as your mind is closed, you won't see or hear opposing evidence--including evidence that your mind is closed, and it does no good for me to continue trying to present you with it. It is an exercise in futility, and an attribute that you have which is understandably limiting at best, and off-putting at worse, when it comes to discussing disagreements, though sadly your mind is likely closed to even seeing and hearing this.
So, that is as much as I will say on the matter, and there may even be no value in me saying this much.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Wade---I am not asking you for specific examples demonstrating that my "mind is closed". I am asking you (and indeed have been asking for quite some time) for you to provide specific examples of "negative critic behavior."
Sethbag wrote:But some particular mod was going through reading posts and got their knickers in a twist over it, and now I join Don Bradley and The Dude stuck in the principal's office.
Oh well. Whatever.
Too bad, Sethbag. Here we are in reform school, and as often happens, not-so-bad kids turn worse in detention because they are kept in the influence of really-bad kids. It's just like in The Breakfast Club -- we're completely loosing respect for authority.
Mister Scratch (right) having a heart-to-heart talk with Sethbag (left). Beastie looks on from the back of the room.
Fortigurn wrote: You're looking at those who have signed up, instead of those you've driven off. That's the shortsightedness which is symptomatic of shooting your wounded. Your idea of the tone improving is more LDS posters who don't question, and fewer LDS and critics who do. Why is it that you don't care about those LDS members you've failed to help, or driven away?
How would you suggest that these LDS members be helped in a way that doesn't show a lack of care for other LDS members and doesn't drive those other LDS members away?
I have some thoughts on this (see the link above on "Criticism"), but I would be interested to learn what you have to say.
Surely one would not point to this board as the model to emmulate--particularly given the depth and breath of repelling behaviors that are permitted to florrish here (though somewhat less pervasively than certain other antagonistic boards).
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
What "repelling behaviors," Wade? Why are you so shy about naming them?
For one, there is the marked blindness in some participants here to their own repelling behaviors. That you would need to ask this question, is valid evidence that speaks to this point--except in the minds of those, such as yourself, who are afflicted with this blindness.
So, for them and you, it does no good for me to even say, though I have on numerous occasion dealt in general and specifics here about the repelling behaviors (including my own), your implication to the contrary notwithstanding.
1) You have never, ever provided specific examples of critics' behavior that you aim to correct. The best you've ever been able to muster have been some pretty lame analogies involving yourself. 2) Beastie is right: although you most definitely have the opportunity to aim your "psychoanalysis" at TBMs, for whatever reason, you simply choose not to do this. 3) The threads you linked to are poor examples, since in each case your approach was thoroughly debunked.
Sorry, my dear Wade, but keep trying!
I appreciate you sharing this differing point of view with me even though I disagree with it and find it be more than a little closed-minded.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
What's "closed minded" about it? All I have ever asked for is specific examples. You have never provided them. I am totally waiting and open for specific examples. Why can't you provide them?
That is just it...I can't explain to your satisfaction what is closed-minded about it, precisely because your mind is closed. It is as if you put your hands over your eyes and ears and then say, "I don't see or hear any evidence...I keep asking for evidence...why don't you let me see or hear it?" As long as your mind is closed, you won't see or hear opposing evidence--including evidence that your mind is closed, and it does no good for me to continue trying to present you with it. It is an exercise in futility, and an attribute that you have which is understandably limiting at best, and off-putting at worse, when it comes to discussing disagreements, though sadly your mind is likely closed to even seeing and hearing this.
So, that is as much as I will say on the matter, and there may even be no value in me saying this much.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Wade---I am not asking you for specific examples demonstrating that my "mind is closed". I am asking you (and indeed have been asking for quite some time) for you to provide specific examples of "negative critic behavior."
This underscores my last point (see the bolded phrase above). So, I hope you will pardon me if I see no value in continuing this inadvertant "Whose on First". Abbot and Costello routine. ;-)
