KimberlyAnn wrote:PS for Liz - They still have Standards Nights here, too. A Standards Night many years ago was where I learned French kissing was "sex with the mouth" LOL!
If that's "sex with the mouth," they're not doing it right. As Groucho Marx said, "Whoever called it necking was a poor judge of anatomy."
liz3564 wrote:I just think that the kids of today don't need to be pandered to. We didn't need to be, either, but that's beside the point. I, for one, am grateful that they seem to have done away with the semi-annual "Standards' Nights" they used to hold in my ward and stake growing up.
They still have those here. The last one my deacon-aged son came home from looking rather shell-shocked.
Standards night is still an annual event where I live.
liz3564 wrote:Interesting....They haven't had one here in NC. I thought they had finally gotten smart and done away with them.
I wish you could have seen my son's face. He looked spooked when he came out of there, and he most assuredly did not want to talk to me about it. If I had known it was a Standards Night, I might not have let him go.
KimberlyAnne wrote:PS for Liz - They still have Standards Nights here, too. A Standards Night many years ago was where I learned French kissing was "sex with the mouth" LOL!
Oh, yeah...I had forgotten about that! Yes, they told us that French kissing was basically the same as oral sex.
LOL Too bad nobody listened. If French kissing was oral sex, none of us were virgins.
French kissing=oral sex? WTF?
Maybe we need to start grading things. Like if real oral sex is "oral sex" then french kissing can be "diet oral sex" or "oral sex light".
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
liz3564 wrote:Interesting....They haven't had one here in NC. I thought they had finally gotten smart and done away with them.
I wish you could have seen my son's face. He looked spooked when he came out of there, and he most assuredly did not want to talk to me about it. If I had known it was a Standards Night, I might not have let him go.
Did you find out what was discussed? I would probably talk to the Young Men leaders about it, if your son is unwilling to talk with you. As a parent, you have a right to know.
(Personally, I would love to be a fly on that wall if you decide to do it.)
liz3564 wrote:Did you find out what was discussed? I would probably talk to the Young Men leaders about it, if your son is unwilling to talk with you. As a parent, you have a right to know.
(Personally, I would love to be a fly on that wall if you decide to do it.)
I should do that. Of course, I'm pretty sure I know the gist of it. I doubt it's changed all that much since I was younger. My daughters told me that their part of it was about dressing modestly so that guys wouldn't assume they were easy.
KimberlyAnne wrote:PS for Liz - They still have Standards Nights here, too. A Standards Night many years ago was where I learned French kissing was "sex with the mouth" LOL!
Oh, yeah...I had forgotten about that! Yes, they told us that French kissing was basically the same as oral sex.
LOL Too bad nobody listened. If French kissing was oral sex, none of us were virgins.
French kissing=oral sex? WTF?
Maybe we need to start grading things. Like if real oral sex is "oral sex" then french kissing can be "diet oral sex" or "oral sex light".
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!
Hmmm....that's one diet I would definitely cheat on!
wenglund wrote:My experience in the Church as a male, has given me a diametrically opposite view of women in relation to men than the OP. Rather than viewing women as inferior, I grew up putting them on a pedestal. To me, they seemed near angelic even as humans, and something that was to be treasured and held in respectful awe. In my mind their beauty and grace warmed and brightened whatever rooms ni which they were present, and the tenderness of their hearts dried many a tear and was like a comforting blanket wrapped around those in need. I envied their seemingly innate aptitude for spirituality and faith, and their admirable work ethic, which made them natural leaders without need of calling or priesthood powers.
You were one of those weirdos? It seems there are a couple in every ward. Unfortunately, your reverence for women probably came across to them as creepy. My last ward I was in there was a guy who talked about women like this, he also liked to go on youth temple trips so he could watch the girls get baptized. Needless to say he was considered the "creepy guy". One of the young women leaders complained to the bishop about him and he wasn't allowed on youth temple trips anymore. Unfortunately, it was probably all innocent to him, but this kind of reverence is not normal.
What made things difficult for me, though, after leaving home and going out into the world, so to speak, was in learning that not all women lived up to the ideal I had been raised with in the Church, and some even fell well short of those expectations. It then became a matter of me adjusting down my perception of women to a more reasonable and less lofty level. In other words, I started to see women as not unlike me and other men in terms of human weaknesses and frailties.
I'm glad you woke up and ralized that women are human beings, just like men.
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