Coggins7 wrote:However, there are many who claim to speak for the Black community to are supportive of reparations, and they are they who have access to a politicized media, who are they who decide which black people are really "black" (I.e. leftist) enough to be taken seriously.
But why let them be representative of a whole community any more than the freaks on Jerry Springer would be for America? I had many people on my mission who mentioned Jerry Springer almost immediately after they knew I was an American. Extremists often get more media coverage because they increase ratings and bring in more $$$ to the media that broadcasts it. Level-headed people like GIMR can't really compete with that--at least for the media.
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But why let them be representative of a whole community any more than the freaks on Jerry Springer would be for America? I had many people on my mission who mentioned Jerry Springer almost immediately after they knew I was an American. Extremists often get more media coverage because they increase ratings and bring in more $$$ to the media that broadcasts it. Level-headed people like GIMR can't really compete with that--at least for the media.
Yes, GIMR is level headed...straight back from he eyebrows...
Coggins7 wrote:However, there are many who claim to speak for the Black community to are supportive of reparations, and they are they who have access to a politicized media, who are they who decide which black people are really "black" (I.e. leftist) enough to be taken seriously.
But why let them be representative of a whole community any more than the freaks on Jerry Springer would be for America? I had many people on my mission who mentioned Jerry Springer almost immediately after they knew I was an American. Extremists often get more media coverage because they increase ratings and bring in more $$$ to the media that broadcasts it. Level-headed people like GIMR can't really compete with that--at least for the media.
I'm goint to start my own reality show. You can be on it if you like.
I'm going to get a kiddie pool and put it in my back yard and invite Cog over for green jello wrestling matches.
Jackson and Sharpton have never been my favorite people. Folks like Cog will continue to use them for sources because they're loud and obnoxious enough. Talking to someone like me, hanging around with the people I associate with is taboo, because then you break the stereotype.
If anyone wants to have real dialogue on issues like these, I'd love to talk. Because there are issues, and it's not just the black community being persecuted today. I started talking about this seven years ago, I was born free. I do not and cannot fully understand the world that my mother and those who preceeded her had to live in. The biggest problem I feel is that my generation is using the feelings of the generations of their ancestors as an excuse to be lazy. They heard the "black power" dialogue, and since they didn't live it, they didn't understand it. They tried to use the same language in a different and to me altogether improper context. Like I told the fool Nathan Boggs on the Washington Post forums in 2000, the playing field is even these days. If you feel it isn't, then equip (educate) yourself. Do what you have to in order to get where you need to be. If you walk into the office convinced that they're not going to value you fully because you're a black man, then you've lost. Nathan hated me.
Scratch is right, Affirmative Action is not just for blacks, and these days, there are many of us (blacks) who are hired based solely on our merits. I'm 25 and have 11 years office experience. That pisses many off in my workplace who are older than me. I called in today, and it's bedlam over there where I'm supposed to be. Kind of amuses me.
My mother was one of the students who made Remember The Titans history. My brother played football under Coach Boone, and I graduated from that school (T.C. Williams). One of the high schools I went to refused full integration until '73, and that town is still segregated in many ways.
Race issues are still an issue, but it's more an issue of crossing boundaries and fostering understanding. Folks need to stop hollering every time a white person hears a group of black people running around talking about "nappy-headed ho's" and uses the phrase themself. Why is it ok for a rapper to say "my n*gga", and yet Kramer have to go on a mea culpa tour? Our youngsters need to be "better fed". We don't know who we are, partially because we've believed the lies of former generations, and partially because we are such a self-centered culture. Ok, ending rant. I should be doing my paper.
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi
Jackson and Sharpton have never been my favorite people. Folks like Cog will continue to use them for sources because they're loud and obnoxious enough. Talking to someone like me, hanging around with the people I associate with is taboo, because then you break the stereotype.
Unfortunately, people like Sharpton and Jackson are the perceived only sources for black opinion on anything because they're the only people the mainstream media has ever gone to for such opinion for some 30 years or more. They were anointed long ago by the media as "black leaders" to whom all blacks look for guidance and have remained so to this day. I did not create this condition, the mainstream media did.
If anyone wants to have real dialogue on issues like these, I'd love to talk. Because there are issues, and it's not just the black community being persecuted today. I started talking about this seven years ago, I was born free. I do not and cannot fully understand the world that my mother and those who preceeded her had to live in. The biggest problem I feel is that my generation is using the feelings of the generations of their ancestors as an excuse to be lazy. They heard the "black power" dialogue, and since they didn't live it, they didn't understand it. They tried to use the same language in a different and to me altogether improper context. Like I told the fool Nathan Boggs on the Washington Post forums in 2000, the playing field is even these days. If you feel it isn't, then equip (educate) yourself. Do what you have to in order to get where you need to be. If you walk into the office convinced that they're not going to value you fully because you're a black man, then you've lost. Nathan hated me.
In substance, I agree with this
Scratch is right, Affirmative Action is not just for blacks, and these days, there are many of us (blacks) who are hired based solely on our merits. I'm 25 and have 11 years office experience. That pisses many off in my workplace who are older than me. I called in today, and it's bedlam over there where I'm supposed to be. Kind of amuses me.
This is true. Affirmative Action is "for" any number of officially protected groups, including blacks, Hispanics, homosexuals, and woman, who aren't even a minority but who are classed as such for the purposes of claims of gender discrimination. Many blacks certainly are hired on merit, the only problem is that in an Affirmative Action environment, until that is proven beyond any doubt, a stigma comes attached. This stigma is going to get attached to any minority coming into an organization known for its AA program and "diversity" mentality, as this means racial "import quotas" within the organization. This is more pronounced in Academia, where we know that countless black people have been moved into colleges for which they were not prepared (while Asians were, infamously in a few cases, denied access) and then suffered grade inflation to keep the AA mystique alive and protect political turf. Sad.
Race issues are still an issue, but it's more an issue of crossing boundaries and fostering understanding. Folks need to stop hollering every time a white person hears a group of black people running around talking about "nappy-headed ho's" and uses the phrase themself. Why is it ok for a rapper to say "my n*gga", and yet Kramer have to go on a mea culpa tour? Our youngsters need to be "better fed". We don't know who we are, partially because we've believed the lies of former generations, and partially because we are such a self-centered culture. Ok, ending rant. I should be doing my paper.
Jackson and Sharpton have never been my favorite people. Folks like Cog will continue to use them for sources because they're loud and obnoxious enough. Talking to someone like me, hanging around with the people I associate with is taboo, because then you break the stereotype.
Unfortunately, people like Sharpton and Jackson are the perceived only sources for black opinion on anything because they're the only people the mainstream media has ever gone to for such opinion for some 30 years or more. They were anointed long ago by the media as "black leaders" to whom all blacks look for guidance and have remained so to this day. I did not create this condition, the mainstream media did.
They're YOUR only percieved sources. Why do you try so hard to speak for other people?
If anyone wants to have real dialogue on issues like these, I'd love to talk. Because there are issues, and it's not just the black community being persecuted today. I started talking about this seven years ago, I was born free. I do not and cannot fully understand the world that my mother and those who preceeded her had to live in. The biggest problem I feel is that my generation is using the feelings of the generations of their ancestors as an excuse to be lazy. They heard the "black power" dialogue, and since they didn't live it, they didn't understand it. They tried to use the same language in a different and to me altogether improper context. Like I told the fool Nathan Boggs on the Washington Post forums in 2000, the playing field is even these days. If you feel it isn't, then equip (educate) yourself. Do what you have to in order to get where you need to be. If you walk into the office convinced that they're not going to value you fully because you're a black man, then you've lost. Nathan hated me.
In substance, I agree with this.
If I didn't know that your agreement with this was based solely on wanting to validate and justify yourself, and not based on a desire (such as mine) to improve a culture, I'd go look to my window to see if it was snowing.
Scratch is right, Affirmative Action is not just for blacks, and these days, there are many of us (blacks) who are hired based solely on our merits. I'm 25 and have 11 years office experience. That pisses many off in my workplace who are older than me. I called in today, and it's bedlam over there where I'm supposed to be. Kind of amuses me.
This is true. Affirmative Action is "for" any number of officially protected groups, including blacks, Hispanics, homosexuals, and woman, who aren't even a minority but who are classed as such for the purposes of claims of gender discrimination. Many blacks certainly are hired on merit, the only problem is that in an Affirmative Action environment, until that is proven beyond any doubt, a stigma comes attached. This stigma is going to get attached to any minority coming into an organization known for its AA program and "diversity" mentality, as this means racial "import quotas" within the organization. This is more pronounced in Academia, where we know that countless black people have been moved into colleges for which they were not prepared (while Asians were, infamously in a few cases, denied access) and then suffered grade inflation to keep the AA mystique alive and protect political turf. Sad.
You need to back up all this BS about black people being moved into colleges for which they weren't prepared. You're just in essence saying that because we're black we're not capable of a higher education. THAT is sad.
Race issues are still an issue, but it's more an issue of crossing boundaries and fostering understanding. Folks need to stop hollering every time a white person hears a group of black people running around talking about "nappy-headed ho's" and uses the phrase themself. Why is it ok for a rapper to say "my n*gga", and yet Kramer have to go on a mea culpa tour? Our youngsters need to be "better fed". We don't know who we are, partially because we've believed the lies of former generations, and partially because we are such a self-centered culture. Ok, ending rant. I should be doing my paper.
In agreement again, for the most part.
And only because you have this white supremacist need to indulge.
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi
Coggins7 wrote:This is the end Angela. I gave it a shot.
1. You lied through your teeth when you claimed you would like to engage in substantive dialog.
2. You are the bitter, bigoted black racist I've always suspected you were. You're mind and heart are bathed in SKIN COLOR and RACE, RACE, RACE.
Goodbye.
All she asked you to do was provide evidence to back up your claims that Blacks had "entered into Universities when they weren't prepared." What, did frontpagemag.org fail to give you this information on a silver platter? Once again we find you blowing off your own toes, claiming that you want "substantive dialog" and then bailing out as soon as things get difficult.
Ok, I've had my coffee and enough time to work up a good rant on this topic.
It's not the concept of "reparations" that pisses me off so much as it's this mind-bogglingly retarded sense of entitlement that quite a few blacks I've either read about, seen, or heard in the news media or have talked to personnally. While I think "reparations" are a crock of crap to begin with, it's the sense of entitlement that really pisses me off.
Now here this. I do not owe you crap. Other than courteous and civil treatment in public, unless you're a former or current service Marine, you do not rate a damned thing from me.
Little story. Years back when I was a newly minted Sergeant in the Corps, one of my collegues, a black Staff Sergeant, suggested that "white America' somehow owed "African-Americans" for slavery.
"Even me, Staff Sergeant," I asked.
"Well, you are white," he replied.
"We, Staff Sergeant, considering that half of my familly came to the US in the early 1930's to escape the Nazis, one quater didn't come here till the 1890's, and the other quarter had been roaming the great plains for a few thousand years before this country was even around, I submit that I don't owe you crap," I fired back.
See, for one, the majority of "white" people in the US, their ancestors immigrated well after Slavery had ended.
For another, a large percentage of "african-Americans" arrived AFTER slavery had ended as well.
So you can take your sense of entitlement and your ideas that I somehow owe your people money and place it where it belongs... Round filed, and promptly shunted to the recycle bin.
Everytime I hear raging idiots like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton start spewing their BS I have to ask the entire Black community if these boneheads really speak for them. If they don't speak for the entire community, then why do the members of your community not tell Sharpton and Jackson to sit down and shut up? I see the same thing in the Arab community when they say "oh, terrorists are bad" yet they don't really do anything to proactively correct the situation.
It's called guilt by association, and untill the more sensable members of the black community do something to correct the saituation they are every bit as guilty for promoting the stereotype of race-card playing blacks and two-faced racist hypocracy.
If you haven't personnaly earned it, then you DO NOT deserve anything. I've heard some blacks complain that they should be given things, like an education, or better housing, or money, or cars, or jobs. Well, I earned my education, I earned my home, I earned my money, I earned everything I have basically through hard work and smart investing.
If I can do it, then everyone else has no damned excuse for not doing the same. You want to get that college education? There are ways to do it, but only IF you put in the effort to obtain it. There are ways to get that nice house with the nice car and the nice job with the nice salery. It's called get off your ass and apply yourself. I did it, therefore everyone else can too baring a medical condition that prevents it. Last time I checked, skin tone was not a handicap.
Oh, and if someone could tell every ethnic group in the US to knock it off with that retarded hyphenated-American crap, I'd appreciate it. Clue you in on something, if you were born in the US to naturalized citizens or legal immigrants, and in some cases even if your parents hopped the fence, you are an AMERICAN.
Having pride in your herritage is a good thing, knowing where you came from, adding to the diverse cultural melting pot that is this great nation and all that. But when it's at the expense of civic and national duty or pride, then your pride in your herritage becomes a detriment to our society as a whole.
Also, that "InsertEthnicityHere-American" stuff is silly as hell. I mean, if I did that I'd be a "German-Norwiegan-American Indian-American". Say that crap five times fast, send me a recording, and I'll mail you a cookie.
It gets worse though. Let's say you've got a guy whose parents are originally from Spain. You'd see that guy bebopping along and assume he's a "Latino" or "Latin -American". And you'd be a dumbass too. Or how about a guy whose parents came from Jamaca? If he a African-Jamacan-American?
Worst case, how about a white guy whose parents where racist appartide supporting Boars from South Africa. Technically that white guy is an "African-American". So is the Arab kid whose parents came from north africa.
See who retarded that Hyphenated-American crap is yet?