If you weren't a Mormon what would you be?

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_Trinity
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Parents and teachers should help children learn what a testimony is and when it is appropriate for them to express it. Younger children should learn to share their testimonies at home or in Primary until they are old enough to bear an appropriate testimony unaided in fast and testimony meeting.


Russell M. Nelson, “Worshiping at Sacrament Meeting,” Ensign, Aug 2004, 24–28
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Post by _Runtu »

Trinity wrote:
Parents and teachers should help children learn what a testimony is and when it is appropriate for them to express it. Younger children should learn to share their testimonies at home or in Primary until they are old enough to bear an appropriate testimony unaided in fast and testimony meeting.


Russell M. Nelson, “Worshiping at Sacrament Meeting,” Ensign, Aug 2004, 24–28


Wow, I had no idea, but that's a positive step. I wish people actually paid attention to such counsel.
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Post by _Polygamy Porter »

The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:
The Nehor wrote:I believe children can be profound but not in an environment where they are told what to say.


You mean like Testiphony meeting?


I agree with you....kids shouldn't be on the stand in Testimony Meeting unless they want to and actually believe. They did finally make it policy that you should not take your kid up to the stand and coach them through it which always annoyed me. Some women think it's cute.


Show me a single child that has any foundation of belief. Further, show me a teenager....

The kids are little parrots, regurgitating the crap shoved down their throats by their deceived parents and teachers.

They tread on thin ice by not FORCING these kids at a young age to mindlessly stand up and blather on about nothing that the know about. When they become teens and adults, they will not stand up and bear their testiphonies... next step inactivity, which costs the cult money. The worst step would be chatting on this board and screaming obscenities about Gordo.
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Where would society be if everyone were encouraged to follow their own spiritual paths, insted of many being conditioned into one at an early age....

Do you think we'd be better off or worse?
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi
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Polygamy Porter wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM9hCNVIrCs

Enjoy.


That was like sticking your finger in a pencil sharpener.
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi
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Post by _The Nehor »

Polygamy Porter wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Mercury wrote:
The Nehor wrote:I believe children can be profound but not in an environment where they are told what to say.


You mean like Testiphony meeting?


I agree with you....kids shouldn't be on the stand in Testimony Meeting unless they want to and actually believe. They did finally make it policy that you should not take your kid up to the stand and coach them through it which always annoyed me. Some women think it's cute.


Show me a single child that has any foundation of belief. Further, show me a teenager....

The kids are little parrots, regurgitating the crap shoved down their throats by their deceived parents and teachers.

They tread on thin ice by not FORCING these kids at a young age to mindlessly stand up and blather on about nothing that the know about. When they become teens and adults, they will not stand up and bear their testiphonies... next step inactivity, which costs the cult money. The worst step would be chatting on this board and screaming obscenities about Gordo.


I know teenagers with testimonies. One (15) whose parents endlessly tell him he's going to hell. I had one or I wouldn't have forced myself out of bed at 6 am to drive to the Church building for Seminary.
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Post by _Gazelam »

This reminds me of when I was a kid and my Dad took me up on the stand and crouched down and whispered to me what to say, I didn't hear him at one point and yell/whispered "What?"

Everyone laughed. My memory is crap but I remember that. I was 6 at the time I think. My Dad of coarce was embarrased.

GIMR, ask yourself what Abraham would say in answer to your question.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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Post by _Seven »

(Sorry for the silly analogy)
I view religion or our choice of belief as a vehicle. We may get to choose our car or have one given to us but who cares what it is as long as it gets us to the right destination? For me that destination isn't making it "home to God" in the LDS sense, but in becoming the best person I can be by serving my fellow brothers and sisters and following my conscience. If in doing this I am becoming like my Savior, then I think I will have made it to my destination. If my car isn't taking me to this place then I need a new one.

My car was a lemon and not what I had purchased so I am shopping around. Haven't decided which car I will drive next.
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That which is wrong under one circumstance, may be, and often is, right under another." Joseph Smith
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Post by _Sam Harris »

Gazelam wrote:This reminds me of when I was a kid and my Dad took me up on the stand and crouched down and whispered to me what to say, I didn't hear him at one point and yell/whispered "What?"

Everyone laughed. My memory is crap but I remember that. I was 6 at the time I think. My Dad of coarce was embarrased.

GIMR, ask yourself what Abraham would say in answer to your question.


Sounds like my grandma making me sing in church every saturday. I finally got tired of it and sang the same old song, because I thought it would make them stop. Little did I know it was like a hymn to them.

What was the song?

Lean On Me

Good grief!

I almost hung myself one day, though. My maternal gramma is Jewish. I sang a song I learned in Catholic school.

Jesus walked this lonesome valley....

You should have seen their faces. I didn't know any better, I was 11!
Each one has to find his peace from within. And peace to be real must be unaffected by outside circumstances. -Ghandi
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