Homosexuals Honour Spong...

[_Gazelam]

No, but they have given themselves up to vile affections. uncleaness through the lusts of their own hearts, dishonouring their own bodies between themselves.

But that's not all that's mentioned there. Look at this:

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

It lists all sorts of things.

Jersey Girl

Well people are people. I'm sure all of these things werent seen in each individual. The point is that while all of these things are symptomatic of Apostates, the Sin of homosexuality is lumped in amongst these foul behaviors.

[_Gazelam]

(In the best possible ways, of course.)

that's a boy, toss that in there on the tail, that'll curb the womans scorn.

You must be married.

[_Jersey Girl]

Actually besides homosexuality there were all sorts of vile sexual practises that went on in the idolatrous temples, including having sex with the idols,a nd sacrificeing the offspring of the orgies to the idols.

Homosexuality is only slightly more vile than any other sexual practice outside the bonds of marriage. So whatever part of the Bible you want to pick from, sin is sin. The only diffeence between then and now is that people can I'm, PM, EM, and Video share theirt filth. Although I'm sure scratching out porn images on a rock was thrilling as well.

Did you miss the part I reposted? Here it is again:

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

[_Jersey Girl]

No, but they have given themselves up to vile affections. uncleaness through the lusts of their own hearts, dishonouring their own bodies between themselves.

Wow, Gaz. Jersey Girl has just proven my point for me: you really don't understand the scriptures that you read. ; )

Hush up, I'm going in for the kill.

Jersey Girl
:-D

[_Gazelam]

I know that there are same sex relationships that are not based on love. But do you think there are some that are?

I think that there are those homosexuals that Love one another, but its unnatural. Inappropriate. Thers peole that really love their pets, in an innappropriate manner there as well.

Did you miss the part I reposted? Here it is again:

I see a whole list of sins there, and although not all may be found in any particular individual, they are all symptoms of the same porblem, leaving the truth and induging in the ways of the world.

[_Jersey Girl]

See, after I thanked him for indulging my questions, Gaz thought he was off the hook. Not so! Let's look at what just came in...

Gaz

Well people are people. I'm sure all of these things werent seen in each individual. The point is that while all of these things are symptomatic of Apostates, the Sin of homosexuality is lumped in amongst these foul behaviors.

You're right, Gaz. People really are people. Let's look at that list of foul behaviors again.


28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Now, let us camp on the above list of offenses, Gaz. Among the list of foul behaviors are envy, debate, deceit, whisperers (gossip), proud, boasters, unmerciful...


Have you ever been guilty of any of those things?

Jersey Girl

[_Gazelam]

Have you ever been guilty of any of those things?

Jersey Girl

The problem isn't in the individual sin itself, it is remaining in the sin. No one repents in a single day, that is why after baptism the person is asked to endure to the end. To continuously be shaking off sin and slowly changing.

That is the trick though, to not remain in the sin, to recognize the bad behavior for what it is and casting it aside.

Shacking up with a homosexual lover, and/or declaring yourself "out of the closet" and associateing with homosexual groups is not doing anything to help oneself flee from the sin.

Homosexuality is often described as a lifestyle or culture, this is in direct opposition with the culture of heaven.

[_Jersey Girl]

Have you ever been guilty of any of those things?

Jersey Girl

The problem isn't in the individual sin itself, it is remaining in the sin. No one repents in a single day, that is why after baptism the person is asked to endure to the end. To continuously be shaking off sin and slowly changing.

That is the trick though, to not remain in the sin, to recognize the bad behavior for what it is and casting it aside.

Shacking up with a homosexual lover, and/or declaring yourself "out of the closet" and associateing with homosexual groups is not doing anything to help oneself flee from the sin.

Homosexuality is often described as a lifestyle or culture, this is in direct opposition with the culture of heaven.

See the post I wrote to you? The one that you replied to here? The words altogether make what we call a "sentence". At the end of the "sentence" is a little squiggly thing. We call that a "question mark". It looks like this:

?

That means, I asked you a question. Could you answer it?

Jersey Girl

[_Jersey Girl]

Let us conclude this evening's online study session of Romans 1 with the following comments:

The first chapter of Romans supplies us with a list of sins. This is often referred to as Paul's catalog of vices. Here is the part of the list that I highlighted for Gaz:

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

As you say, Gaz, sin is sin and change doesn't happen over night. If you take a honest look at the above portion of Romans 1, I think you'd have to agree that you have been guilty of at least some of those and will likely commit them again in your lifetime. We are, after all, human.

Do you think it's right for you or I, to use Roman's 1 as a blanket condemnation of homosexual activity when if we are to be honest about it, we are represented on that list just as much as they are? You couldn't possibly know the heart of every homosexual person that exists anymore than you can know the heart of anyone else.

Are you on that list? If so, then you are part of the "they" that you use when you refer to gay persons.

Shouldn't we be a little more compassionate?

Romans 3:23 ....it's in the book.

Jersey Girl

[_Roger Morrison]

McConkie wasn't wrong when he said what he did about Blacks. At the time he wrote it in the first edition, he was right. It wasn't a matter of eating crow, it was a matter of updating the doctrine to match new revelation.

Homosexuality is in direct confrontation with the entire plan of salvation. Should the church also honor those who break the law of chastity? Should common law marriages be honored? The entire premise is ludicrous, and I take insult at the very notion of homosexuals beign equal in any way to the negro race, homosexuals are not a race, and the two issues are completely different.

Roger, would you please give me a doctrinal commentary on how you would interpret Romans 1:21-32.

thanks

Gaz

Hi Gaz, i'll try when i get home... You make some rather "ludicrous" statements yerself Bro ;-)

Tarsky made a good point :-) Warm regards, Roger