Peterson and Gee's libel against Ritner?

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_Polygamy Porter
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Polygamy Porter wrote:Pass the mega-pep-o-mint breath mints east. Soon Vicki will be apologizing to Kev, like she did to Kerry (I wear my garments under my) Shirts...


And who do you apologize to, Porter? Or do you just bleed out on people?
Why do you think I need to apologize?

THIS IS A FRIGGING PUBLIC DISCUSSION BOARD.

If your feelings get hurt easy you should not be here.

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I would disagree with you on this one—I have a feeling that Juliann is being sincere; she sincerely believes that you misrepresented what she said.


If I want to call someone a liar for misrepresenting me, I provide specific examples. Juliann never does. Whether she sincerely believes I lied doesn’t explain why she can never provide an example.
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Post by _Alter Idem »

I think Juliann had a good point when she said this to Maklelan on the MADB thread;

"Mak, can't you see that they can both be telling the truth? One party can ask for a replacement and the other party can quit without making either one a liar about what happened from their perspective. The bigger picture here is the new tactic of setting scholars up in email and lawsuits to shut down criticism of the antis...and why they are feeling such pressure that they are resorting to this. I will start a thread on that soon cause fun as this has been....I have things to do that can't wait any longer."

She mentioned someone who claimed he had "resigned" but in truth, he was going to be fired. I know that happens, so I can see this as a reasonable explanation.

Someone said earlier on the thread that Dr. Ritner is rabidly anti-mormon. If this is the case, then Dr. Gee very well could have asked to have him removed. If so, he might have been allowed to bow out voluntarily, which would explain why they have different versions of events.
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dartagnan wrote:
I would disagree with you on this one—I have a feeling that Juliann is being sincere; she sincerely believes that you misrepresented what she said.


If I want to call someone a liar for misrepresenting me, I provide specific examples. Juliann never does. Whether she sincerely believes I lied doesn’t explain why she can never provide an example.


Maybe she thinks she has, or that since she is so obviously right that she doesn't need to?
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Polygamy Porter wrote:Why do you think I need to apologize?

THIS IS A FRIGGING PUBLIC DISCUSSION BOARD.

If your feelings get hurt easy you should not be here.

I piss in pots. I also stir pots. No apology needed.


Porter,

What exactly in my post leads you to believe that my feelings are hurt about anything on this board? Or is it simply a delusion?

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dartagnan wrote:
I don't see a purpose in your reporting it other than to erect a doubt in the minds of people that can never be fully resolved on boards like these.



The purpose in reporting it is obvious to everyone else. A man has been accused of something very serious. The charge has stood for five years now. Now it turns out that the accused finally makes a statement denying its validity. This would go far in the minds of those who have already been converted to Gee's story.

You seem to forget that the ONLY thing the LDS have against Ritner is that he has an axe to grind. This incident is ALWAYS brought up to support that contention. Without it, they are just making bald assertions.


And it can never be resolved on boards like these, Kevin. Anyone can dummy up emails on the internet. You have no way to verify the email that you've posted.

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Jersey Girl wrote:Anyone can dummy up emails on the internet. You have no way to verify the email that you've posted.


Actually he would if Dr. Ritner would use a digital signature with a public key. Pretty Good Privacy and Gnu Privacy Guard offer such functionality. The poster on MA&D known as mhalcrow does this for his posts.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Mister Scratch wrote:
dartagnan wrote:Jersey, do us all a favor and take your personality disorder elsewhere. I don't care what you have to say ( I haven't for quite a while) and it appears nobody else does either. Please don't turn this thread into another Jerseygirl show.


Yeah, I agree. Jersey as of late has been spiraling out of control, flailing about wildly and lecturing people on morals and ethics. In fact, increasingly, she has begun to sound very much like our very favorite five-alarmist, Ray A.


"spiraling out of control, flailing about wildly and lecturing people on morals and ethics" = taking a stand against b***s***

I totally cop to it.

Jersey Girl


Right. Jersey Girl the Saint. Oh, please, darling---I would love it if you would continue to lecture all of us on the meaning of "non-B.S." I had wondered where your "tough chick persona" went. Now we know.

By the way: Would you like me to haul out that PM you sent to me, where you were practically crawling to me on hands and knees, begging me not to do a dossier on Kerry Shirts, since you were crapping your pants that he would "stalk" you, or something along those lines? (Maybe you need to apologize a second time?)

Or would you perhaps like to concede that your "Hey, look at what a tough, independent Jersey chick I am!" persona is really little more than a pose? What I find most odd about you, Jersey, (or "Vicki"?) is that you get most bent out of shape when you think someone else is "telling you what to do," and yet all you seem to do is lecture others on how they ought to behave.

Of course, as you have intimated, none of this really matters to you. There are no sides for you, nor are there any stakes. It's all just about tough, gun-toting Jersey Girl having fun, and dishing out lectures to whomever she dislikes at any given moment.
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skippy the dead wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:"spiraling out of control, flailing about wildly and lecturing people on morals and ethics" = taking a stand against b***s***

I totally cop to it.

Jersey Girl


I'd have to say I'm with you on this one, Jersey. I haven't seen anything from you in this thread that's been out of line or "alarmist" or flailing.

And at least now we know that the "P" in "PM" apparently doesn't mean much to some folks on the board. Something to keep in mind.


Neither, apparently, does "b***s***."
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Mister Scratch wrote:Right. Jersey Girl the Saint. Oh, please, darling---I would love it if you would continue to lecture all of us on the meaning of "non-B.S." I had wondered where your "tough chick persona" went. Now we know.

By the way: Would you like me to haul out that PM you sent to me, where you were practically crawling to me on hands and knees, begging me not to do a dossier on Kerry Shirts, since you were crapping your pants that he would "stalk" you, or something along those lines? (Maybe you need to apologize a second time?)

Or would you perhaps like to concede that your "Hey, look at what a tough, independent Jersey chick I am!" persona is really little more than a pose? What I find most odd about you, Jersey, (or "Vicki"?) is that you get most bent out of shape when you think someone else is "telling you what to do," and yet all you seem to do is lecture others on how they ought to behave.

Of course, as you have intimated, none of this really matters to you. There are no sides for you, nor are there any stakes. It's all just about tough, gun-toting Jersey Girl having fun, and dishing out lectures to whomever she dislikes at any given moment.


Here's an idea, Scratch. Instead of weaseling your way into this board when you think no one's looking to take cheap shots at me, how about you "haul out" some integrity?

You've already proven, quite nicely, that you pump people for information both on and off this board, while divulging nothing about yourself and keep dirt files on them, their so called private words to you, and when you don't like what they say, you USE them publicly.

I admit freely and openly that there was a certain level of paranoia going around in the minds of posters (Do you think that Kerry himself wouldn't know why I and others might be skiddish about what was going on ?) on this board during the troll/itchy episodes. But let me ask you, Scratch....who was the catalyst for that?

As I stated in the so called "private" message that you chose to post here, the itchy blog and the Z trolls were a direct response to your blog.

And where exactly were you when the s*** hit the fan? Sitting on your ass and watching the "action"? Taking notes? Waiting for someone else to tell you what to do? Folks were under the mistaken impression that you couldn't post or search on Z, yet you seem to have no trouble doing so now. For all anyone knows Scratch, YOU were the trolls, starting your fires and watching them burn while the trucks roll in to put them out.

You thrive on gossip, you start the fires, watch them burn and couldn't give a s*** less who goes up in smoke with them.

I accused a good friend of something he didn't do and the moment I knew it, I offered up a public apology. I could have left it alone and let his character remain in question in the minds of others. And what are you doing with that apology? Using it to dig for more dirt on someone, in this case, "Mrs. Robbins".

Guess what, Scratch. I know who the trolls were and as much as I'd love to publicly out them here, you'll never see it.

You're an irresponsible user, Scratch. At least I have the spine to admit when I'm wrong. And you? You just make more files. Black mail files.

And where did you pull this out from:"gun-toting Jersey Girl" - the alternate reality that passes for your mind? Distort much? Go ahead and black mail me in full public view, Scratch. By all means!

Jersey Girl
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