LDS and stay at home moms?

[_Jason Bourne]

Lip service only

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Why? Because Mr. Rabid PP who is inordinatly obsessed with criticising the LDS Church says so?

Curelum Dung. Put up or shut up.

While some YW leaders may encourage college it is not on the top of the list, nor even near the top.

You know this how? When was the last YW general broadcast you attended?

The number one thing that they are INSTRUCTED to do is marry in the temple and have children.

I would agree with this and that is not a bad thing per say.

Then there is the social structure. Ask any 24+ year old SINGLE woman how they are received in their home wards, both by the old hags and their already-been-married-for-five-years peers.

I would be happy to ask my 24 year old daughter who just preseneted her masters thesis at a conference in England. She is a BYU student. Why the department she is in even paid to send her to the conference. And oh, one of the professors that was on the panel when she defended her thesis likes it so well HE suggested she base her doctorate dissertation on it.

There are a number of other similar women in my ward I could ask as well. Did you read the thread at all?

[_Jersey Girl]

Now, I'll reply to the totality of your post:

sv: Um you attacked me in the first paragraph. But, that's fine.

Jersey Girl: That wasn't an attack. It was an assumption based on your either inability or unwillingness to answer questions posed to you. You read far more into my comments than is there. For example, you state that I can't speak as if I were an LDS woman when nothing I've written here comes in that form at all.

sv: I realize that you have a cosmic connection of a sorts with Mormon families. You have worked with them intimately and have seen hundreds of families/women travel to different countries. that's great. Wasn't my point though. When you have a family it is difficult to do things such as travel for long periods of time. So having a child may put a stop to that sort of goal. Also, you asked if I have had children of my own. I don't and I never spoke from that perspective. I said what it was like growing up in my own family with two working parents and I speculated on the difficulties of having huge dreams and raising families..

Jersey Girl: As I mentioned in the above post, my comment regarding 100's of young parents living/visiting in foreign countries had little to do with LDS families specifically. Thousands upon thousands of young families live in foreign countries and visit others. That's a fact not limited to LDS families. Parenting is demanding, there can be no doubt of that.

sv: Furthermore, what exactly is your stance on this issue. spelled out plainly. You have said how close a connection you have had with Mormon familes. Fine. and you have seen many happy Mormon familes. Great. so is the Mormon wife meant to be in the home or not? Running through the previous posts I am honestly not sure. And I would appreciate it, if you don't attack me and spout on how I am obviously not reading the posts or whatever. I am. I just thinkyou are being unclear.

Jersey Girl: I took no "stance" in this thread. I don't intend to take a "stance", I have no need to nor interest in taking a stance. I supplied facts as I know them to be true in a random sampling of approx. 50 LDS families. You are looking for me to take a position of some kind, when what I've done is supply facts. That's why I say you aren't reading the posts. You aren't. You're looking for something that's not there nor is it intended.

[_Jason Bourne]

that's wonderful Jason.

PP you are an ass.

Its too bad she is not following the counsel of the anointed leaders of the only true and living gospel of Jesus Christ. Then again, look at the example set by her father.. who openly questions the leaders of Christs Kingdom on earth.

Either way one cannot win with you. Don;t get persoanl with my bud. I stuck up for you when someone got personal about your wife.

It must be a real shame when she shows up to your ward and everyone notices that after four long years of marriage, she STILL does not have children... tsk tsk... All she wants to talk about is how important she is and ALL of the education she has... She should be reminded that "No success outside of the home can compensate for failure in the home"

I am quite proud of her as are the members of my ward. You...well you can kiss my ass.

It would be a real shame if Brother Borne does not live long enough to enjoy grandchildren from her... and her poor husband being forced to wait to enjoy the blessings of being a preisthood holding father...

Again kiss my ass.

Then again, perhaps most will assume she has a medical problem.

You are a low life scum. This is enough that if your were present I migh just have to beat you.

Kiss off jerk. Since I proved you so shamelessly wrong I see you can only get personal.

[_Scottveg3]

Fine Jersey You supplied "facts" as you know them. I pointed out that you are in fact not Mormon, and you have no idea what it is to live within the church. Fine. You are an authority on Mormon behavior and you post as such. Even though you say that you do not. Fine. You knit pick posts and pick what you want to react upon. Stop responding I am tired of you.

[_Jersey Girl]

scottveg3,

See the comment from Jason that says "kiss off jerk"? Now that's an attack! Anyway, you said something about the quote feature. You can do it in a couple or three ways.

If you want to make it easy, just click the "quote" button on the post you're going to use...when you get it into the message field you can do a couple of things to clean it up.

1. You can leave it alone and use multiple quote boxes to tick off the mods.
2. You can go through it and just fix it so that you select certain portions to quote for example:

[quote]begins the quote and I have to put in an extra space here next otherwise it will quote me...to end the quote you put this [/ quote]

On that last bracket...the / and the word quote would be right next to eachother.

You can do that manually throughout a post or...

3. You can copy the part you want and before you paste it in the message field, you can click the quote button above it to get the same brackets or whatever they're called.

Does that make sense?

[_Jersey Girl]

Fine Jersey You supplied "facts" as you know them. I pointed out that you are in fact not Mormon, and you have no idea what it is to live within the church. Fine. You are an authority on Mormon behavior and you post as such. Even though you say that you do not. Fine. You knit pick posts and pick what you want to react upon. Stop responding I am tired of you.

That's over the top, scottveg3. I've been trying to get you to reply to just what I stated.

Look at what you stated in the post above:

You supplied "facts"as you know them.

I pointed out that you are in fact not Mormon, and you have no idea what it is to live within the church.

What on earth does that have to do with stating the facts as I know them? Not a thing. How do you expect to participate in discussion when your comment is irrelevant to what has been said? I'm not knit picking you...I'm trying to get you to stay on track.

I claim no authority whatsoever on "Mormon behavior" and nowhere in this thread will you see that. Nowhere have I posted as that. That's an exaggerated statement that has nothing at all to do with what I've posted here.

Do you know what it's like to attempt to communicate with someone who's making stuff up that isn't there?

It's okay to be tired of me.

[_Polygamy Porter]

that's wonderful Jason.

PP you are an ass.

Its too bad she is not following the counsel of the anointed leaders of the only true and living gospel of Jesus Christ. Then again, look at the example set by her father.. who openly questions the leaders of Christs Kingdom on earth.

Either way one cannot win with you. Don;t get persoanl with my bud. I stuck up for you when someone got personal about your wife.

It must be a real shame when she shows up to your ward and everyone notices that after four long years of marriage, she STILL does not have children... tsk tsk... All she wants to talk about is how important she is and ALL of the education she has... She should be reminded that "No success outside of the home can compensate for failure in the home"

I am quite proud of her as are the members of my ward. You...well you can kiss my ass.

It would be a real shame if Brother Borne does not live long enough to enjoy grandchildren from her... and her poor husband being forced to wait to enjoy the blessings of being a preisthood holding father...

Again kiss my ass.

Then again, perhaps most will assume she has a medical problem.

You are a low life scum. This is enough that if your were present I migh just have to beat you.

Kiss off jerk. Since I proved you so shamelessly wrong I see you can only get personal.

Goodness, I did not expect to strike a nerve.

Did you not see my MML tags? <Mormon Mindset>

Jason, I was simply speaking as the ward members did about similar women who visited their home wards in which I have lived in over the years. It was simply an illustration of the the reality of typical Mormon mentality. I apologize if you took it as otherwise, ok?

Years ago I saw a woman on the verge of an emotional breakdown because she could not have children. She would go on and on in Relief Society every week about how she is trying her hardest to adopt a child, so that she could fulfill her mission of being a mother.. Problem was, she only wanted a white girl. She finally relented and adopted a part Asian girl.

When I was first married and on my first job in my career, I had a good friend, both he and his wife were LDS. Early on I knew about her inability to have children, but it was something that they did not like to share. This proved to be their undoing as five years later they both went completely inactive due to what my friend said was ridiculous pressure on women to be mothers. I visited them about four years ago and they had not been back since.

You know how bitchy Mormon women can become, you know how they love to compete with each other. Since most do not work, they dig for apparent outward differences to nit pick in an effort to be the best of the bunch.

I saw this in every ward that I have lived in. Sure, they are nice and cordial upfront, but then they talk JUST LIKE I ILLUSTRATED. Of course you will not see your ward members talking like that about you or your daughter. Remember, Mormons are trained to keep secrets from each other. Once a month it is reinforced.

Seriously Jason, I did not intend my post to be taken as an attack on you or your daughter.

I can only hope that someone shows her the ugly truth about Mormonism.

[_Mercury]

Fine Jersey You supplied "facts" as you know them. I pointed out that you are in fact not Mormon, and you have no idea what it is to live within the church. Fine. You are an authority on Mormon behavior and you post as such. Even though you say that you do not. Fine. You knit pick posts and pick what you want to react upon. Stop responding I am tired of you.

That's over the top, scottveg3. I've been trying to get you to reply to just what I stated. I claim no authority whatsoever on "Mormon behavior" and nowhere in this thread will you see that. That's an exaggerated statement that has nothing at all to do with what I've posted here. It's okay to be tired of me.

Jersey, what in fact is your motivation for participating in LDS related forums? Just wondering, as im trying to piece togethet why you have interest in Mormonism.

Not attacking, just confused as to why ou participate.

Yours Truly

[_Jersey Girl]

Fine Jersey You supplied "facts" as you know them. I pointed out that you are in fact not Mormon, and you have no idea what it is to live within the church. Fine. You are an authority on Mormon behavior and you post as such. Even though you say that you do not. Fine. You knit pick posts and pick what you want to react upon. Stop responding I am tired of you.

That's over the top, scottveg3. I've been trying to get you to reply to just what I stated. I claim no authority whatsoever on "Mormon behavior" and nowhere in this thread will you see that. That's an exaggerated statement that has nothing at all to do with what I've posted here. It's okay to be tired of me.

Jersey, what in fact is your motivation for participating in LDS related forums? Just wondering, as I'm trying to piece togethet why you have interest in Mormonism.

Not attacking, just confused as to why ou participate.

Yours Truly

If you'd still like to do that interview, that's agreeable to me. I'm not going to drive this thread even further off topic than it already is. Apparently it's become the:

Insult-kiss my ass-hey I didn't mean it-insult

thread now.


Whatever.

[_Polygamy Porter]

Jersey, what in fact is your motivation for participating in LDS related forums? Just wondering, as I'm trying to piece togethet why you have interest in Mormonism.

Not attacking, just confused as to why ou participate.

Yours Truly

Given the amount of time she has invested over the years, I can only guess that perhaps this is her main(only?) social outlet?