The Many Faces of Ray A

[_Ray A]

As I said to you before I think that you are a good human being. That is the feeling that I get from your posts. As to others that I have come across on the countermo boards, I can feel the opposite. My understanding is simple

Strangely, that is the same feeling I get. But then, we are not supposed to rely on "feelings", are we? I think Scratch has some problems he needs to resolve.

[_Polygamy Porter]

We inactives are best qualified to defend the LDS church. We don't have a dog in the fight as DR. Phil would say. I see things rather open mindedly. But I must confess my open mindedness can put a muzzle on the exmos or they can ban me from the discussion. I said to you on a different thread that I do go to church. I just don't do callings or talks. I am a back bencher. And maybe I don't attend all the meetings. But I still can defend the LDS church.

So what ARE you?

A liar?

Are you an "inactive" or not?

Is it time for your dose? You are flippin and a floppin like a fish.

I don't know. The definitions can change. What does it mean to be inactive? I do classify myself as inactive.

Thanks for the confession. Now add LIAR to that.

[_why me]

Theories and speculation. The "crack whore" remark has nothing to do with my position on Mormonism. I was mad at DCP because at the time I possessed the same apostate spirit you do now! And I realised it was wrong. When you escape your bitterness and slander, you will understand what I mean.

I am not "hiding" anything. I am who I am, inspite of you, DCP, or anyone else. I am a believer in Mormonism, and Joseph's Smith's prophetic calling, and heaven, earth nor hell can change that. Do you "get it" Scratch? Does this help explain anything? Probably not. Continue with your conspiracy theories. You are as blind as bat.

It seems Ray went through a reconversion experience. It does happen. I know that it has happened on the postmormon board. I have seen one or two come to the MAD fellowship thread after PMing me.

And scratch, Ray A is right. It can also happen to you and PP. Who can predict the changes that can be experienced within a lifetime.

[_Polygamy Porter]

It seems Ray went through a reconversion experience. It does happen. I know that it has happened on the postmormon board. I have seen one or two come to the MAD fellowship thread after PMing me.

And scratch, Ray A is right. It can also happen to you and PP. Who can predict the changes that can be experienced within a lifetime.

I'd eat a Book of Mormon and crap a statue of old Joe before that would ever happen.

Don't you get it? Joseph's myth has been uncovered for me. I know too much. I think too much.

[_Ray A]

Don't you get it? Joseph's myth has been uncovered for me. I know too much. I think too much.

Don't equate your bad experiences with God, or Mormonism. That is where you're going wrong. You have suffered abuse, unconscionable abuse, but you're putting blame on the wrong people.

[_Some Schmo]

Theories and speculation. The "crack whore" remark has nothing to do with my position on Mormonism. I was mad at DCP because at the time I possessed the same apostate spirit you do now! And I realised it was wrong. When you escape your bitterness and slander, you will understand what I mean.

LOL

Are you trying to tell my you've escaped your bitterness and slander? Holy crap, you're funny.

Ahhh, denial is a wonderful thing, isn't it folks?

[_Mister Scratch]

Ray---

I hardly think that honest commentary on things your idol has said constitutes "slander." Why is it that you feel this way? Are you really still sore about the "crack whore" remark? Please tell us why you were so mad at DCP to begin with, and why you have apparently undergone such a huge, whopping change of heart.... Your words in your old ZLMB posts are quite obvious in their feeling, Ray.... What are you trying to hide?

Theories and speculation. The "crack whore" remark has nothing to do with my position on Mormonism. I was mad at DCP because at the time I possessed the same apostate spirit you do now! And I realised it was wrong. When you escape your bitterness and slander, you will understand what I mean.

Huh? What does this mean, Ray? Are you confessing that you were engaging in "bitterness and slander" towards DCP? And if so, can you explain how/why your "bitterness and slander" on ZLMB is qualitatively different from the "bitterness and slander" you have directed towards myself and others?

And let's face it: when you say, "I realised it was wrong," all you are really saying is that you flip-flopped, since you are a turncoat and a hypocrite. Your words are right there for everyone to see, Ray.

I am not "hiding" anything. I am who I am, inspite of you, DCP, or anyone else.

Please answer a very simple question for me. You mentioned elsewhere that you had been exchanging emails with the Good Professor. At any time during those exchanges, did he compliment you or stroke your ego in any way? Yes/no?

I am a believer in Mormonism, and Joseph's Smith's prophetic calling, and heaven, earth nor hell can change that. Do you "get it" Scratch? Does this help explain anything? Probably not. Continue with your conspiracy theories. You are as blind as bat.

Your claims here are in stark contrast to your ZLMB remarks, Ray. You have many faces indeed.

[_Yong Xi]

Ray wears a hat with a propeller on it, but the propeller doesn't spin. Ray does.

[_Ray A]

Huh? What does this mean, Ray? Are you confessing that you were engaging in "bitterness and slander" towards DCP? And if so, can you explain how/why your "bitterness and slander" on ZLMB is qualitatively different from the "bitterness and slander" you have directed towards myself and others?

There is one qualitative difference - DCP never returned any slander or insults. Nor did he start it, nor did he have a blog devoted to slandering others.

And let's face it: when you say, "I realised it was wrong," all you are really saying is that you flip-flopped, since you are a turncoat and a hypocrite. Your words are right there for everyone to see, Ray.

Is there something wrong with being a turncoat? Apparently it doesn't worry Kevin Graham. Nor have you criticised him for being a turncoat. Wonder why?

Please answer a very simple question for me. You mentioned elsewhere that you had been exchanging emails with the Good Professor. At any time during those exchanges, did he compliment you or stroke your ego in any way? Yes/no?

NO! Why would he have offered for anyone to view our email exchanges (in order to vindicate himself) if there was, as you phrased it, "buttkissing"? We left off those exchanges divided in opinion and feelings, and I never crossed paths with DCP again until I started posting on FAIR a year later, and did my "turncoat" thing. If memory serves me correctly we did not start to correspond again until I was on FAIR for a significant while, probably 2005, two years after our initial disagreements.

Your claims here are in stark contrast to your ZLMB remarks, Ray. You have many faces indeed.

Not at all. I have exactly two faces, if that's the way you wish to put it. Before posting on FAIR I was, essentially, anti-Church. My opinion of the Book of Mormon has essentially remained unchanged, and if you care to go back on Z. you'll see many posts there about my feelings for the Book of Mormon. Of course there were times I questioned it, didn't B.H.Roberts??

[_Mister Scratch]

Huh? What does this mean, Ray? Are you confessing that you were engaging in "bitterness and slander" towards DCP? And if so, can you explain how/why your "bitterness and slander" on ZLMB is qualitatively different from the "bitterness and slander" you have directed towards myself and others?

There is one qualitative difference - DCP never returned any slander or insults. Nor did he start it, nor did he have a blog devoted to slandering others.

Ray: my remarks were directed towards you, not DCP. Let me ask you again: How are your recent outbursts of "bitterness and slander" vis-a-vis myself and others whom you view as "antis" any different from your prior ZLMB rampages? Feel free to think it over, mate.

And let's face it: when you say, "I realised it was wrong," all you are really saying is that you flip-flopped, since you are a turncoat and a hypocrite. Your words are right there for everyone to see, Ray.

Is there something wrong with being a turncoat? Apparently it doesn't worry Kevin Graham. Nor have you criticised him for being a turncoat. Wonder why?

There is no need for me to "criticize" KG, since he has been attacked by David Bokovoy, Will Schryver, juliann, DCP, Pumblehoober/Tradd Buttons, etc., etc., etc.

Please answer a very simple question for me. You mentioned elsewhere that you had been exchanging emails with the Good Professor. At any time during those exchanges, did he compliment you or stroke your ego in any way? Yes/no?

NO! Why would he have offered for anyone to view our email exchanges (in order to vindicate himself) if there was, as you phrased it, "buttkissing"?

Ray----wow. I thought I had asked quite an easy-to-answer question, but apparently it sailed right over your head. Let me state this again, as plainly as I can:

During the past few months, did DCP in any way compliment you or stroke your ego? Y/N?

We left off those exchanges divided in opinion and feelings, and I never crossed paths with DCP again until I started posting on FAIR a year later, and did my "turncoat" thing.

Yes, and this is what I'm trying to get at. Why did you do your "'turncoat' thing"? What happened? This is what I'm curious about.

If memory serves me correctly we did not start to correspond again until I was on FAIR for a significant while, probably 2005, two years after our initial disagreements.

Okay, good. Now why did you begin corresponding again? Who initiated the communication? You? DCP?

Your claims here are in stark contrast to your ZLMB remarks, Ray. You have many faces indeed.

Not at all. I have exactly two faces, if that's the way you wish to put it. Before posting on FAIR I was, essentially, anti-Church. My opinion of the Book of Mormon has essentially remained unchanged, and if you care to go back on Z. you'll see many posts there about my feelings for the Book of Mormon. Of course there were times I questioned it, didn't B.H.Roberts??

This is all fine and dandy, Ray. Now I'd like to explore the reasons for your two-facedness.