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_dartagnan
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Tell me: Do Muslims hate being told what they believe to the same extent that Mormons hate being told what they believe?


That isn't Tradd's problem. If this is his problem then he is a hypocrite since he keeps maintaining that I have "left Mormonism," no matter what I say.

I've never told Tradd what he believes. My concern is more to do with what Muslims do, rather than what other Muslims claim to believe. Tradd is just another cherry on a fruitcake. This guy believes the government should determine who can and who cannot procreate. This guy believes all but 40 American Universities should be "shut down," while, ironically enough, complaining because Americans are uneducated.

Tradd moved to Cairo and wasn't mentally strong enough to resist the social pressures of being Muslim.

So he converted.

Acceptance is high on his priority list, apparently.

Now he is here to pick fights with me, venting his frustration out on me by projecting, apparently. Get used to it guys. Once he digs his heels in, he is here to stay. Expect no Mormon related commentary from him. Expect him to respond to no one else but me, and always expect his comments to derail the thread.
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Post by _Lucretia MacEvil »

Jersey Girl wrote:
Daniel Peterson wrote:
Bond...James Bond wrote:As long as you stand by my right to call you a Popinjay ;)

Sorry. Nope. In a just world, under the New Order that I hope to see before I die, you will have the right to praise me and, otherwise, to remain silent.


Aren't you in just a bit of Denial Peterson? ;-P If there are women involved do you think they're remain silent at your command?


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Post by _Pumplehoober »

dartagnan wrote:That isn't Tradd's problem. If this is his problem then he is a hypocrite since he keeps maintaining that I have "left Mormonism," no matter what I say.


Keep insisting otherwise, but what one does is far more important what what one says…

I've never told Tradd what he believes. My concern is more to do with what Muslims do, rather than what other Muslims claim to believe. Tradd is just another cherry on a fruitcake. This guy believes the government should determine who can and who cannot procreate. This guy believes all but 40 American Universities should be "shut down," while, ironically enough, complaining because Americans are uneducated.

Tradd moved to Cairo and wasn't mentally strong enough to resist the social pressures of being Muslim.

So he converted.

Acceptance is high on his priority list, apparently.


Proof? Quote? Context? That would be too hard. Perhaps you will lie about it like last time…

http://p079.ezboard.com/Kevin-again/fpa ... =131.topic

Also I did not leave or accept a religion because I was lavished with praise. You cannot claim otherwise.

Now he is here to pick fights with me, venting his frustration out on me by projecting, apparently. Get used to it guys. Once he digs his heels in, he is here to stay. Expect no Mormon related commentary from him. Expect him to respond to no one else but me, and always expect his comments to derail the thread.


Poor Kevin. Would you like me to tell you how smart and wonderful you are? I just cannot lie, sorry. You're a mediocre mind within a racist, bigoted skin. This is the truth, and I cannot pretend it is otherwise.
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Post by _moksha »

Jersey Girl wrote:More off topic nonsense. Would you guys mind starting your own mutual hate threads? This one was intended to be positive.


I wonder if this off topic nonsense could be moved to its own thread? Call it the "Kevin Graham lightning rod thread".
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Post by _Jersey Girl »

Lucretia MacEvil wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
Daniel Peterson wrote:
Bond...James Bond wrote:As long as you stand by my right to call you a Popinjay ;)

Sorry. Nope. In a just world, under the New Order that I hope to see before I die, you will have the right to praise me and, otherwise, to remain silent.


Aren't you in just a bit of Denial Peterson? ;-P If there are women involved do you think they're remain silent at your command?


If we hear any yelling "Oh, God, oh God, yes, yes, yes!!!" we'll know it's you.


Huh?
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Post by _Jersey Girl »

moksha wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:More off topic nonsense. Would you guys mind starting your own mutual hate threads? This one was intended to be positive.


I wonder if this off topic nonsense could be moved to its own thread? Call it the "Kevin Graham lightning rod thread".


Couldn't we have a "Feud Forum"?
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Post by _Bond...James Bond »

Jersey Girl wrote:Couldn't we have a "Feud Forum"?


I keep wondering who all these people are that come here for no reason except to bother dart about his Islamic views.

PS: Jersey Girl do you want this stuff split off? (It is your thread originally so I'm asking as a mod)
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Bond...James Bond wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:Couldn't we have a "Feud Forum"?


I keep wondering who all these people are that come here for no reason except to bother dart about his Islamic views.

PS: Jersey Girl do you want this stuff split off? (It is your thread originally so I'm asking as a mod)


Well, here's the scoop, Bond. These guys went at it forever on ZLMB. I really wanted this to be a positive thread that our MAD lurkers could read to see whether or not we're a hostile bunch.

In my best Napolean Dynamite:

Hell yes, I want it split off. Whattayathink?

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Post by _dartagnan »

Keep insisting otherwise, but what one does is far more important what what one says…


I agree, which is why your credibility has been shot for many years now. You’re still trying to take advantage of an incident when you and I first met online several years ago. Amazing. I misread something you wrote and attributed something to you something you didn’t say. When I went back and reread it more thoroughly I realized the error and apologized. And as usual, you neglect to inform your audience the fact that I apologized to you publicly, as well as the fact that you were banned from that forum for duplicity on your part.

But that is the difference between us Tradd: I admit when I am wrong, and have no problems apologizing when I am.

Take for instance, our recent spat last month (I don't have to dig in search engines for comments made years ago). I made you look completely stupid last month by pointing out your misuse of the word "quote." I only did this because you decided to poke fun at me for misspelling yolk. But how did you respond? Well, your ego didn't know how to accept being wrong about anything, so you had no other choice but to do what you always do in these situations - flee the scene like a coward.

And I get a kick out of the way you keep referring to this ZLMB incident as “like last time” when what you really mean is the “only time.” I apologized but no matter. You found your little nugget to prove I "lied" about something and you whip it out every time you're up against the ropes. By contrast you have lied on this very forum about things most people here know about, and you absolutely refuse to apologize. But don’t worry, unlike you, I won’t go whining to the moderator demanding a retraction/apology. I accept the fact that you're utterly incapable of either. This is the truth, and I cannot pretend it is otherwise

Also I did not leave or accept a religion because I was lavished with praise. You cannot claim otherwise.


I can and do. If you have proofs to suggest otherwise then present them. Until you do all you are doing is lying. Again, you lie without shame. To say I joined the LDS faith because I was lavished with praise is not only a ridiculously false statement, but it demonstrates your contempt for education and your love of ignorance. You research nothing. Why can’t you just accept the fact that you know virtually nothing about me and my conversion nearly twenty years ago?

Because your ego won’t allow it; the same way your ego precludes you from admitting error or apologizing.

Poor Kevin. Would you like me to tell you how smart and wonderful you are?


Contrary to your weird idea of what goes on in this forum, nobody has praised me for being smart and wonderful. The closest thing to that occurred when I was with FAIR. Which, again, flies in the face of everything you've said about me leaving FAIR for accolades here. I challenge you to dig up from this forum one post by say, three different people who "praise" me.

Oh no, research. Must... abort.... now!!!

I just cannot lie, sorry.


But you do. You’re lying right now. You lie when you say Mormons think I am racist, never providing a reference. You lie when you say my friends no longer have anything to do with me. You lie when you say I have abandoned Mormonism. You lie when you say my posts here have been deleted due to “stupid” posts. You lie when you say your post constitutes “quotes” from me. The list goes on and on and it only gets longer the more you post. Unlike you, I do not have to drag out a single incident from three years ago and relive it every month. Your mouth is an everlasting fountain of cowardice and dishonesty.

You're a mediocre mind within a racist, bigoted skin. This is the truth, and I cannot pretend it is otherwise.


More importantly, you cannot demonstrate any of these malevolent charges. I have mopped the floors with you on too many occasions to even consider you worthy of debate anymore. You never debated anyway. You sit around and toss out slurs while pretending to be intelligent. You’re your biggest fan, Tradd. You always have been. Yet, you have the audacity to project your social ineptitude and religious insecurities onto me?

You’re the perfect example of your religion, Tradd. Do you realize this? Muslims tend to be obsessive with anyone who speaks critically of Islam, and this is essentially what this is all about. And you’re supposed to represent the more sensible, moderate and reform-minded brand of Islam? I spoke truths about Islam and Muhammad several years ago and you’ve been pissed off ever since. It has been your personal jihad to attack me wherever and whenever you can. I have no doubt that if you had the chance, you’d have my infidel head on a platter.

You’re never willing to prove me wrong via intellectual rebuttal. The best you can come up with is “you’re a racist.”
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Mod Note: This thread was split from this thread.-Bond
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