TBM gets into trouble at FAIR conference

[_Dr. Shades]

The following comment is from Juliann. I thought you'd get a kick out of it. It would make a great signature line. [SNIP]

You're absolutely right about that. See below--I made the upgrade!

[_capt jack]

Confidential Informant just posted, in a stunning display of Christian charity, the following:

George may want this to go away quickly, but I don't. I'm glad to find that I'm not the only one on this board who read Ms. Parshall's first T&S post and her subsequent post here and came to the conlcusion that Ms. Parshall is, quite simply, a liar.

She deserves to be outted, embarrassed and shamed for such behavior. He accounts of events are highly selective in nature, portraying herself as the victim in each instance. Moreover, her treatment of Jan is beyond the pale.

She is a disgusting, self-centered bully who threw a hissy fit when she didn't get her way and then tried to spin it that everyone was wrong but her.

It is utter crap and she deserves all the scorn that can be heaped upon her.

C.I.

[_wenglund]

I was the one who sent the burley man to remove the table.

Coming from this person, I doubt fire codes and the agreements with the neighbors had much to do with the incident. Not too shabby apologetics though from ole Lynch. You've got a very driven FAIRite who gets set off at the drop of the hat who seems, for some very strange reason, to have a knack for drawing a crowd of unquestioning supporters around her to stir up drama - even the president of FAIR! And poor Jan gets taken again. Let there be no mistake, someone got really, really annoyed on a personal level, and that's all it was.

Since you evidently believe you know better the reasoning behind the actions in question than those who initiated the action, could you please explain why the conference room was appointed with interlocking chairs which were interlocked in uniform rows?

Could you also let us know what your experience has been in terms of contracting with convention centers and your familiarity with local fire codes as they relate to conventions (Sandy City in particular)?

Could you or anyone else participating on this thread please explain to me why the drama and harsh reactions here regarding the event in question, is far more extreme (both in terms of intensity and duration) than the event in question?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Gadianton]

LOL, thanks Captain. A liar? And we know CI will have nothing to do with those..

Let me say, what I find more fascinating about the incident than the perfectly predictable, yet nevertheless consistently entertaining behavior of the FAIR crew, is the reception Ardith's post got at T&S. The number of digs from other TBMs and Internet Mormons towards FAIR is something I didn't expect to see. What to make of that?

I've lurked at TS on occasion. A few times I've posted and even conjured up a troll or two. Now mind you, there is plenty of Internet Mormonism going on there and I'd be happy to see a mass apostasy coming from their corner, but I have to say that as a group they seemed pretty good natured. And as a group I'd wager their education level (since it matters so much to certain people) is higher than what you've got on FAIR's message board, MAD. I guess there just wasn't much motivation to stick around.

But what I'm trying to figure out...is there some kind of hidden hostility between TS and FAIR? Or is FAIR just really just so abrasive that they get a rise even out of other Mormons on the net?

[_Dr. Shades]

Well it looks like I was right. Juliann admitted her role in the fiasco. Ardis showed up on MAD to defend herself and blast DCP. Frankly, I think this woman is a bit loopy, so I cannot give too much credence to what she has said.

You know, after reading the relevant thread at MAD (titled "FAIR sends out the Danites" or something similar), I'm inclined to agree with Kevin. Specifically, the following post by Jan:

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 1208233192

. . . followed up by the response from Ardis herself:

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 1208233495

. . . wherein she writes:

"I have worked with John Lynch to make things right, and I have acceeded to his every request. I took down the post at his request. I made myself available for phone calls at his convenience. I have answered his questions. He has been extraordinarily polite. In return, he asked those who control this board to close this unfortunate thread, and it was immediately closed down. Unfortunately, someone with less grace and courtesy than he reopened it, and a great many people with less grace and courtesy have spent their weekend rolling in the muck. (Jan, that does not include you -- you have provided a charitable and accurate summary of the unfortunate event, from your point of view; I might change a detail here or there to reflect my point of view, but I will cheerfully accept and endorse your account.)"

. . . leads me to believe that the FAIR crowd is "in the right" after all, wonder of wonders. Specifically, if she endorses Jan's point of view, then why on earth would she have stormed out of the FAIR conference in a such a huff?

Plus, Ardis elsewhere said she closed down her Times & Seasons thread to protect John Lynch (it appears). Well, if she wanted to protect John Lynch, why on earth did she make an entry specifically mentioning him in the first place? And why, when he showed up to defend himself, did she immediately tear into him?

If John showed up of his own volition, then he didn't need to be protected from anyone. So her shutting the thread down was downright strange and can lead to only one conclusion.

In addition, her words ". . . and a great many people with less grace and courtesy have spent their weekend rolling in the muck" come across as a bit self-righteous, since she was the original "muck-roller" to begin with.

Lastly, for all the MADites reading this, it appears I spoke out of turn. When I wrote:

. . . many, many, many dozens of empty seats in the room when it came time to open the conference. . .

Is it rude of me to laugh at that observation?

. . . I didn't take into account how early she'd shown up for the conference, and how many people were still slated to arrive. She didn't mention how long before the session started she began setting up, so I made some faulty assumptions for which I herebly apologize.

[_Bond...James Bond]

I wish she'd stop her whining....she started this whole thing with her original blog entry. Then she goes and asked for a perfectly good threat to get castrated for no good reason.....and the MAD mods actually did it.....where's their brass in the freedom of speech area? If she's going to crybaby on MAD let her....but if she starts crap and isn't willing to finish it she needs to get outta the game. I'm still ticked off they deleted all my funny posts (and quite a few others) that had nothing to do with her!

[_Gadianton]

Could you also let us know what your experience has been in terms of contracting with convention centers and your familiarity with local fire codes as they relate to conventions (Sandy City in particular)?

I highly doubt the person who ordered the table moved knows much or cares much about Utah fire codes and I doubt the local Mormon Fire Marshell was standing outside, axe in hand. There is talk about how this was all a misunderstanding. And, in fact, the person who ordered the table moved says on the MAD thread that "emotions were running high". Misunderstanding as to what the city codes or contractual agreements were?

Most building codes are innocuous to the caual observer, and could hardly stimulate emotions to run high. "What! a woman in the middle of row 49d is in violation of SLC building code section G 119.8l sub-paragraph two?!" If you're a home owner, you might know that at any time your house is probably in violation of one or more building codes. It's nothing to get excited over. Further, those who enforce rules or laws typically don't take it personal nor do they let emotions "run high". Have you ever witnessed an arrest or watched someone get kicked out of an event? I was at an event a few weeks ago in a casino where a couple were ejected for some incredibly rude behavior - far more than just having inadvertantly moved their chairs into a non code-acceptable position. While the couple were foaming at the mouth, security was dead calm. They knew that it wasn't personal and that their actions reflect their establishment.

Three basic points Wade:

1) City codes, unlike Mormon doctrines are specific, there is little room for "misunderstandings".
2) It was personal, not professional, otherwise emotions would not have been running high. A professional staff would not let emotions "run high" over, especially, infractions of city codes.
3) Lynch's post was classic apologetics. Pulling out every reason that perhaps they should have used for apprehending Ardith hoping to smoke screen the reason that was used: Bee entered a bonnett.

[_moksha]

The following comment is from Juliann. I thought you'd get a kick out of it. It would make a great signature line.

The message board buzz appeared on Mormon Discussions Board before making its rounds here. Unfortunately, we can't close down the entire internet.

This line truly deserves some analyst's couch time. Complete this test question: What does this say about Juliann?

[_moksha]

I'm still ticked off they deleted all my funny posts (and quite a few others) that had nothing to do with her!

For what it is worth Bond, I appreciated that picture of Mel Gibson, as William Wallace, with the blue stripes.

[_Bond...James Bond]

I'm still ticked off they deleted all my funny posts (and quite a few others) that had nothing to do with her!

For what it is worth Bond, I appreciated that picture of Mel Gibson, as William Wallace, with the blue stripes.

I knew you would....you silly little penguin ;)