Does debating Mormon apologetics make you loopy?

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_Ren
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Post by _Ren »

Yong Xi wrote:Apologetics is hopeless. So is the critic of Mormon Apologetics. Don't we all know that but continue anyway? We just go in circles.

I wouldn't be so sure. Never forget the lurkers... (If your talking about forums like these...)
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Post by _beastie »

I stuck it out for years for the lurkers. I just couldn't continue anymore. It was like bizarro land, over and over, where, like Kid says, you start questioning your own sanity.

The small amount of debating that occurs here is all my sanity can allow anymore.

But yes, we're all "different" for continuing to be interested in topics that most people consider completely unappealing. But I don't consider being different in that way a bad thing.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.

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Post by _Yong Xi »

RenegadeOfPhunk wrote:
Yong Xi wrote:Apologetics is hopeless. So is the critic of Mormon Apologetics. Don't we all know that but continue anyway? We just go in circles.

I wouldn't be so sure. Never forget the lurkers... (If your talking about forums like these...)


Your right that the debate can have an affect on lurkers, either confirming belief (usual) or creating some dissonance. My point was that the defense of the "faith" is impossible and and the disproving of "faith" is impossible. In that sense, I believe it is hopeless
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Yong Xi wrote:Your right that the debate can have an affect on lurkers, either confirming belief (usual) or creating some dissonance. My point was that the defense of the "faith" is impossible and and the disproving of "faith" is impossible. In that sense, I believe it is hopeless

Oh - I'm sure in the sense you mean, yes - it is essentially 'hopeless'.
But hopeless 'overall', I'd say not.
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CaliforniaKid wrote:Sometimes juliann makes me want to scream. Nobody else on these forums has that effect on me. So when all the MADB posters pitch in and agree with everything she's saying, I sometimes wonder if maybe I'm the one who's lost my mind.

Then I come back over here and the world seems right again.


Juliann is a special case... head case, that is. And when you walk onto MAD space, you're in her space. So anything you say benefits her, because any use of her board builds her up. If you want to negate the effects of the black widow spider... I mean, Juliann, don't post on her board.
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Post by _amantha »

Yong Xi wrote:Apologetics is hopeless. So is the critic of Mormon Apologetics. Don't we all know that but continue anyway? We just go in circles.


Funny you should bring up circles because that was my last post on that thread (as of now).
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Post by _beastie »

I tried to read the thread, but it's so tiresome and familiar. Apologists making condescending statements while defending their integrity - which is fine and good, except some of those same apologists have made extraordinarily misleading statements in their apologia.

Take, for example, Dr. Peterson encouraging someone to "read the latest research" as if the "latest research" supported the existence of a horse in the Book of Mormon time frame. Or Sorenson abusing sources. Or Brant and Sorenson presenting "linguistic evidence" for metallurgy in ancient Mesoamerica, while knowing good and well that the linguistics refers to simple metal working of meteoric outcrops.

You can only read so much of such openly misleading statements before you really do begin to wonder about their integrity.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.

Penn & Teller

http://www.mormonmesoamerica.com
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harmony wrote:
CaliforniaKid wrote:Sometimes juliann makes me want to scream. Nobody else on these forums has that effect on me. So when all the MADB posters pitch in and agree with everything she's saying, I sometimes wonder if maybe I'm the one who's lost my mind.

Then I come back over here and the world seems right again.


Juliann is a special case... head case, that is. And when you walk onto MAD space, you're in her space. So anything you say benefits her, because any use of her board builds her up. If you want to negate the effects of the black widow spider... I mean, Juliann, don't post on her board.


LOL! I love you, Harmony!
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Post by _Gazelam »

Steuss made me laugh. I have a stack of reading material like that in my bathroom as well. I just bought new printer ink today..

I don't get so much loopy about these discussions as I do frustrated. Its all very clear and simple to me that the church is true. I also find it inspiring being here because it gives me a place to focus my studies.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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Post by _Daniel Peterson »

beastie wrote:You can only read so much of such openly misleading statements before you really do begin to wonder about their integrity.

Critics like beastie forfeit any right to complain when some believers make similar remarks about them.
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