How do you know it's the Holy Ghost?

Post by **_Scottie** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:41 am

You know, if everything is true and the holy ghost is real, then that makes the Mormon God a liar.

How many people on these boards have tried and tried to get that confirmation that was PROMISED to them by Moroni, yet it never came?

Sure, apologists just LOVE to play the "you weren't [insert favorite trait here] enough" card. You know, "you were humble enough", "you didn't pray hard enough", "you didn't wait long enough", "you didn't have faith enough", etc.

This is utter bunk. Supposedly with the faith of a mustard seed, we can move mountains. But we can't get a simple yes to a simple question? I'm pretty sure most of us had at least the faith of a mustard seed, whatever that means.

And, as we all know, if God were to lie He would cease to be God. So, viola. I just proved that God doesn't exist! All in a day's work. ;)

Post by **_Runtu** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:46 am

Scottie wrote:You know, if everything is true and the holy ghost is real, then that makes the Mormon God a liar.

How many people on these boards have tried and tried to get that confirmation that was PROMISED to them by Moroni, yet it never came?

Sure, apologists just LOVE to play the "you weren't [insert favorite trait here] enough" card. You know, "you were humble enough", "you didn't pray hard enough", "you didn't wait long enough", "you didn't have faith enough", etc.

This is utter bunk. Supposedly with the faith of a mustard seed, we can move mountains. But we can't get a simple yes to a simple question? I'm pretty sure most of us had at least the faith of a mustard seed, whatever that means.

And, as we all know, if God were to lie He would cease to be God. So, viola. I just proved that God doesn't exist! All in a day's work. ;)

Not to mention that God has answered the prayers of millions of other people that their faith, not Mormonism, is the true path.

Post by **_Mercury** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:48 am

Because the Mormons pouind it into the convert and the child that steers the minds of the "prepared".

Post by **_Scottie** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:53 am

Runtu wrote:Not to mention that God has answered the prayers of millions of other people that their faith, not Mormonism, is the true path.

Silly Runtu...this is apologetics 101 here. The spirit is merely testifying of the few truths this religion has. After all, every religions have at least some truth. But if they would only come over to Mormonism where ALL the truths are, well, the spirit would knock them on their ass, so to speak.

Post by **_Runtu** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:56 am

Scottie wrote:
Runtu wrote:Not to mention that God has answered the prayers of millions of other people that their faith, not Mormonism, is the true path.

Silly Runtu...this is apologetics 101 here. The spirit is merely testifying of the few truths this religion has. After all, every religions have at least a some truth. But if they would only come over to Mormonism where ALL the truths are, well, the spirit would knock them on their ass, so to speak.

Yeah, all those truths we've learned about.

God used to be a man. Oh, wait, scratch that one. "I don't know that we teach it."
Marriage will be polygamous in heaven. Oh, no, well, we can't really say that, either.
Adam is the Father of our spirit. Well, now, that's just heretical.

Never mind.

Post by **_The Nehor** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:43 am

Scottie wrote:I've yet to hear one legitimate story of someone having a vision. It's always been a friend of a friend, or they heard of someone that had a vision.

My good friend swore up and down that he saw a vision of his dead uncle on his mission. Come to find out he suffered from severe sleep apnea and it WAS just a hallucination. It wasn't until he left the church that he could finally admit this to himself.

Now, this being said, I have had instances where "something" was put into my thoughts that changed my course of action and saved my life. I honestly don't think this was a random synapse firing off. I believe it was "something" helping me.

I've had one and I don't know of any mental or emotional conditions I have. I do have scoliosis but I don't think that can be traced as the cause.

Post by **_Scottie** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:47 am

The Nehor wrote:
Scottie wrote:I've yet to hear one legitimate story of someone having a vision. It's always been a friend of a friend, or they heard of someone that had a vision.

My good friend swore up and down that he saw a vision of his dead uncle on his mission. Come to find out he suffered from severe sleep apnea and it WAS just a hallucination. It wasn't until he left the church that he could finally admit this to himself.

Now, this being said, I have had instances where "something" was put into my thoughts that changed my course of action and saved my life. I honestly don't think this was a random synapse firing off. I believe it was "something" helping me.

I've had one and I don't know of any mental or emotional conditions I have. I do have scoliosis but I don't think that can be traced as the cause.

You saw a vision, or you heard a voice, or both?

I don't suppose you would eloborate, would you?

Post by **_The Nehor** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:15 am

Scottie wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Scottie wrote:I've yet to hear one legitimate story of someone having a vision. It's always been a friend of a friend, or they heard of someone that had a vision.

My good friend swore up and down that he saw a vision of his dead uncle on his mission. Come to find out he suffered from severe sleep apnea and it WAS just a hallucination. It wasn't until he left the church that he could finally admit this to himself.

Now, this being said, I have had instances where "something" was put into my thoughts that changed my course of action and saved my life. I honestly don't think this was a random synapse firing off. I believe it was "something" helping me.

I've had one and I don't know of any mental or emotional conditions I have. I do have scoliosis but I don't think that can be traced as the cause.

You saw a vision, or you heard a voice, or both?

I don't suppose you would eloborate, would you?

Both at different times (not at same time). Visions tend to just hit me. Once there was a command to shut eyes and I saw. Once with eyes open I saw things. Both of these ones were to convey information. It was a guided tour type visitation where I was shown things I'd never thought of before. The Holy Ghost was there and explained things as it unfolded. I could ask questions and get answers. I can't share what I was told though, sorry.

Post by **_Blixa** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:54 am

You can check my board blog, Scottie for my experience with visions ala Hildegard of Bingen. : )

When I was a kid I had several experiences "seeing things" and oddly enough so did my mother when she was a child.

Post by **_The Nehor** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:58 am

Blixa wrote:You can check my board blog, Scottie for my experience with visions ala Hildegard of Bingen. : )

When I was a kid I had several experiences "seeing things" and oddly enough so did my mother when she was a child.

Blixa your sig is very disturbing and provokes a good "What the hell" reaction. I like it. Kudos.