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_dartagnan
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Post by _dartagnan »

Looks like my departure has made the moderator come out of the woodwork to offer another "explanation."

This will be the last post on the topic of KG so as not to further distract from this great thread.


Too late, Dan already did.

Kevin Graham was permanently banned from the message board about a year ago. He had been banned on more than one occasion prior to that. No one wanted him here because of his ugly posts in the Islam threads.


This is false. The majority of the posters who were discussing the Islam related issues, wanted me to post. There were only two or three who were protesting, and this was generally due to the fact that they could not refute anything I said. This was the reason I started my own forum, to drag the Islam discussions elsewhere since the FAIR forum wasn’t tolerant of them. As a result, a dozen posters from FAIR signed up on my forum and I even managed to lure the real trouble-maker, Trad Buton on over. He was constantly writing emails to the mods there complaining about my opinions. Eventually, he was banned too. But in any event, you can ask posters like bcspace about this issue. Many posters from FAIR were sick and tired of their intolerance of their opinions regarding Islam, and I was hardly the only one who was being censored on that issue. So it is an absolute falsehood that everyone wanted me out. There were only a few who indicated any discomfort with what I said, and none who said they wanted me out.

I was never banned for anything related to Islam. The first time I was ever banned was almost exactly year ago shortly after the birth of my son. I remember it well, and it is all documented on the forum for anyone who cares to verify. I was banned because I said Hauglid was fabricating an excuse to bail out of his discussion with Brent.

They protect their scholars, but when CK flat out said John Gee lied, he wasn’t banned. Nor are others banned when they accuse other LDS scholars of duplicity. They were just dying to find a reason to ban me because they do not know how to handle disagreement from within.

Against all other mods opinions otherwise, the evil Juliann made an offer to KG to post again upon certain conditions: KG made a promise that as a condition to resume posting, he would not discuss Islam *at all.* He broke that promise and was banned permanently shortly thereafter.


Again, this is absolutely false, and it is verifiable on their forum. I was never banned for that. I was put on the que temporarily, but just before that Oreos led me to believe my restriction had been lifted. I asked for clarification to which he never responded. I remember quite vividly Ray contesting the veracity of all this until I provided the entire PM exchange on the Mormonism Discussion Forum for everyone to see. And if you read the thread in question, whereby I “broke” my promise you’d see that there was nothing in my post that could possibly be interpreted as anti-Islamic.

There were many discussions back then about the Crusades, the Inquisitions and early Christian history, and it was inevitable for something regarding Islam to pop up. I didn’t simply abandon the discussion just because that happened, so I was accused of breaking a promise when that happened. Oreos emailed me and asked me why I was posting on Islam. I responded in detail, telling him the circumstance. Dan Peterson had challenged me on something in that thread and I followed through with it.

He's skirted this unconditional ban several times by creating new user profiles. As enjoyable as he may have been for the last incarnation, he chose to give up his posting privileges here a year ago when he broke his promise.


Again, this is pure fiction.

This most recent sock puppet went unnoticed by a mod until yesterday at which time that mod put a little joke line in "JasonH"s profile and altered the subtitle (adding the a.k.a.) to this thread - which was noticed and commented upon by some. Today, Momus saw that KG hadn't been banned (since being noticed yesterday) and banned him.


This is unlikely, because I have seen the moderators lurking in those discussions on numerous occasions. I had been pegged “Kevin” for several days and I was involved in the most interesting discussions the forum. And I am supposed to believe that during all this time, no moderator realized I was there until, of course, when Dan Peterson shows up! Ah, the amazing “coincidence” rears its ugly head again.

Hate to say it conspiracy folks and paranoids, and hate to contradict the good Professor, but DCP had nothing to do with anything here with regards to Kevin Graham. Not now. Not ever. Sorry to disappoint.


History tells a different story. While I do not believe Dan writes the mods and complains about me, it cannot be denied that his mere presence draws their attention to a new level, and Dan knows it.
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Post by _Bond...James Bond »

I like that someone changed your avatar subtitle to read "Hi, My name is Kevin Graham and I'm a Madboholic".....it's about the little things that give MAD it's charm.
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dartagnan wrote:And I am supposed to believe that during all this time, no moderator realized I was there until, of course, when Dan Peterson shows up! Ah, the amazing “coincidence” rears its ugly head again.

Hate to say it conspiracy folks and paranoids, and hate to contradict the good Professor, but DCP had nothing to do with anything here with regards to Kevin Graham. Not now. Not ever. Sorry to disappoint.


History tells a different story. While I do not believe Dan writes the mods and complains about me, it cannot be denied that his mere presence draws their attention to a new level, and Dan knows it.


And you expected it to be different this time... why? How? Your track record speaks for itself just like mine does: repeatedly banned. The difference is, I don't go where access is denied. And I will never again give Juliann the opportunity to count me in her numbers (had I known she owned MAD, I'd never have registered there in the first place).
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Post by _dartagnan »

And you expected it to be different this time... why?


I didn't. I expected to be banned after the first couple of posts. The mods knew who I was from the get-go, despite what Dan G said.

I was just frustrated that Dan P spoiled a great discussion for all of us who were involved. Dan wasn't involved in it, and he had no intentions to participate with substance. He just threw in a jibe to disrupt the whole thing.

If we were talking about corn flakes and syrup, it wouldn't have bugged me. But we were really have some great discussions.
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Post by _Bond...James Bond »

Mod Thought: I think all those posters know this place exists.....so if a special Sticky thread in the Celestial Kingdom were to exist do you think they would be willing to take up the discussion again?-Bond
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Post by _Dr. Shades »

This will be the last post on the topic of KG so as not to further distract from this great thread.


Let's see, they've made their "last post on the topic of KG," what, five times now?

This most recent sock puppet went unnoticed by a mod until yesterday at which time that mod put a little joke line in "JasonH"s profile and altered the subtitle (adding the a.k.a.) to this thread - which was noticed and commented upon by some. Today, Momus saw that KG hadn't been banned (since being noticed yesterday) and banned him.


Oh, I'm thinking the "little joke line" was hardly a coincidence. It sounds to me that a low-ranking moderator was giving a signal to a high-ranking moderator in order to get you banned.
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Post by _Some Schmo »

guy sajer wrote:Talking about Sock Puppets, DCP's activity here appears to have an inverse correlation with that of A Light in the Darkness. I don't have proof, and I may well be wrong (and am happy to admit if I am), but I strongly suspect that ALITD is one of Dan's various board personalities.


I've suspected this for a long time, guy, and have even confronted Dannyboy on it.

Of course, he flatly denies it, but who can really trust what he says?
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Post by _Jason Bourne »

By the way I have to log in four times in a row to access this board. Is Kevins frustration mine factor say ten?


I have the same problem when I use Explorer and less, but still sometimes, when using Mozilla Fox Fire.
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Post by _Mister Scratch »

dartagnan wrote:
Daniel Peterson wrote:]Kevin did. It's pure fiction. His claim that I got him booted is entirely false. It's been false on every previous occasion, too.


Dan, do you want me to write up a documented history on the various banishments that have ensued after your participation?


I somewhat wish you would, Kevin. I know that both Rollo and myself were banned after crossing swords with DCP. (I was also put on the queue after pointing out that he was using argumentum ad populorum.) I have a series of emails in which I went back and forth with him, trying to determine whether or not he had the power to get me reinstated. Of course, he did all along, it just took a lot of badgering on my part to get the Good Professor to admit it.

And by the way, Kevin: DCP's claim that he sockpuppeted "for a short" time is complete bull. His "FreeThinker" sockpuppet put up over 3,000 posts on ZLMB. Even with the 10-post-per-day output he's been putting up here, it would still take him nearly a year to do that. I don't know about you, but "nearly a year" seems like a pretty long time to me.
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Post by _Jersey Girl »

dart

Yep. Those were excellent threads. Just ask the ones who were actually participating in the discussion. I never got the sense any of them wanted me ousted. In fact Kerry came around to his senses finally (grin) said thanked me for my comments.


The thread that I followed and minimally participated on, was the best discussion/debate I've ever witnessed on that board even when it was FAIR. I say that because it was conducted without interference, both sides (which was mainly Kerry and yourself) were able to speak freely (push/shove/adjust/revise/refine) and determine for yourselves what the next "move" would be.

While it may not seem like it from some of my posts on these boards, that is the kind of thing I live to see and see so infrequently that I became invested in the thread even as onlooker. When you didn't see me posting, I was still following the dialogue.

What you might not have seen, Kevin, was some of the comments that were deleted by mods on the David B. thread. I posted additional comments and they were removed. The gist of my comments were that when long standing feuds take precedence over lively debate where so much information is unearthed that is useful to the reader regardless of their religious affiliation, something has gone terribly wrong.

When the mod jumped in and announced that you were banned. I posted my first post commenting on the banning. You will see mod comments in my post in red. What you don't see is that the mod modified their post which originally said something to the effect of : Too bad Kevin broke his promise a year ago or he'd still be posting fascinating educational (I think that's the word they used) ...that you wouldn't be getting any "do-overs" and that they mods don't babysit.

Excuse me...of course they babysit...re-read the language that was used. If I could conger up a visual for the mod comments it would look something like an 8 year old sticking their tongue out at me. Why not just post the image and sign off with "too bad so sad"?

Anyway, what you also might not have seen was a post made by Kerry on the David B. thread wherein he said the banning "SUCKS" and that he regretted publicly posting his speculations that Jason H. was Kevin. The mods removed my second post, Kerry's post and one of Daniel's posts.

They are cutting off their nose to spite their own face over there. When a lively and fruitful debate takes place, they remove the challenger, and then tell folks to get back to their regularly scheduled thread...have they even read the thread? Whoever that mod was, they made themselves look like a fool.

Get back to WHAT thread? The thread was dead in the water as soon as they banned you and all that will be left is so much preaching to the choir.

Those folks over there who support your ongoing banning may think that these long standing feuds are interesting. They are unbelievably TIRESOME to the rest of us.

I just wanted you to know about the other comments that were made, including one by Kerry, that were deleted.

And now, I have a bone to pick with Daniel. Not that it matters.

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