Congratulations DCP

[_Ray A]

Ah. So truth is only worth supporting when it comes from the mouth of someone you particularly like... at the time?

Gotcha!

Even Hitler spoke some truth. Should I support him?

[_beastie]

I am a very disturbed individual. 53 years and not one conviction, except for parking fines, in fact, not even one charge. Fighting, yes, with bullies. Yes, I may "look" like a disturbed individual, but so do Porter and Mercury. BOTH of whom you say nothing about.
You are totally inconsistent. Oh, wait, no you aren't. You're consistent in attacking anything Mormon.

I have chastised both of them in the past, for particular statements.

You, on the other hand, insist that bad behavior on the part of anti-mormons will inflame future (perhaps even mass) acts of violence against Mormons, and then turn around and engage in even worst behavior. When called on it, you point to your heroes, usually Porter Rockwell. Moreover, your acting out appears episodic, as has already been pointed out.

So tell, me, Ray, are you a Porter protege partly because emulating Porter won't require giving up your beloved pagan lifestyle? You know I could be the biggest hypocrite on the planet and still be correct on this observation, and it didn't escape my notice that you ignored it.

[_Ray A]

So tell, me, Ray, are you a Porter protege partly because emulating Porter won't require giving up your beloved pagan lifestyle? You know I could be the biggest hypocrite on the planet and still be correct on this observation, and it didn't escape my notice that you ignored it.

Well let me reverse this. How many ex-Mormons became ex-Mormons because they couldn't live LDS standards? None? Do you really believe that? How many then choose to attack Mormonism for self-justification? None? And pigs fly. Yes, I do admit I can't live LDS standards. And you and the anti-Mormons here can fire away at that. Nothing new there. But how about your own comfortable lifestyle? From that pagan comfort you have become a full time critic of Mormonism. It's very easy when you don't have to put in the hard yards, isn't it? It's very easy to criticise people with high standards, and who genuinely believe in their religion.

[_dartagnan]

Even Hitler spoke some truth. Should I support him?

Which truths did Hitler speak?

[_beastie]

The difference between you and I, Ray, is that I have continued to keep the standards of behavior that I find valid. I, unlike you, don't believe that following the LDS dietary restrictions and restricting sex to marriage are legitimate standards I would follow if I were disciplined enough.

In summary, I keep my own high standards. You don't.

Moreover, I don't criticize people with high standards who genuinely believe their own religion. I criticize certain, very flawed, arguments they offer in defense of certain claims that religion makes. Moreover, I have also argued against certain bad arguments floated on RFM as well.

But in your current rabid mindset, none of that matters. I attack "all things Mormon", according to you. And it is this very lack of balance in your perspective that makes your "porter rockwell" mimicry all the more silly and bizarre.

Just remember, I was one of the first to warn you that you were becoming what you hate.

[_Yoda]

You're consistent in attacking anything Mormon.

Ray, I've read Kevin's posts, and he doesn't strike me a someone who meets this description. Kevin has tenets and points of doctrine that he disagrees with regarding the Mormon Church, but he is still a member.

Now, Kevin and DCP have had a feud going on for quite some time, but I hardly think that qualifies him as "attacking anything Mormon".

Maybe attacking anything DCP would be a better phrase.

;)

[_Ray A]

Even Hitler spoke some truth. Should I support him?

Which truths did Hitler speak?

If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed. - Adolf Hitler.

For a flattering portrait of Hitler:

After 1945 Hitler was accused of every cruelty, but it was not in his nature to be cruel. He loved children. It was an entirely natural thing for him to stop his car and share his food with young cyclists along the road. Once he gave his raincoat to a derelict plodding in the rain. At midnight he would interrupt his work and prepare the food for his dog Blondi.

He could not bear to eat meat, because it meant the death of a living creature. He refused to have so much as a rabbit or a trout sacrificed to provide his food. He would allow only eggs on his table, because egg laying meant that the hen had been spared rather than killed.

Full text: http://www.motstand.org/Hitler.html

[_Ray A]

Ray, I've read Kevin's posts, and he doesn't strike me a someone who meets this description. Kevin has tenets and points of doctrine that he disagrees with regarding the Mormon Church, but he is still a member.

Now, Kevin and DCP have had a feud going on for quite some time, but I hardly think that qualifies him as "attacking anything Mormon".

Maybe attacking anything DCP would be a better phrase.

;)

Liz, I disagree with you there. In reality Kevin is still in some transition to ex-Mormon. His quotes are not consistent. He has attacked Mormonism, not just Mormon defenders. Do you seriously believe that Kevin has made so many enemies among Mormons just for attacking DCP?

[_Trevor]

When did this happen?

Did I miss a memo?

[_Ray A]

But in your current rabid mindset, none of that matters. I attack "all things Mormon", according to you. And it is this very lack of balance in your perspective that makes your "porter rockwell" mimicry all the more silly and bizarre.

Just remember, I was one of the first to warn you that you were becoming what you hate.

Maybe you don't see yourself very well. I don't think you do. You can't even tolerate posting on MA&D. Do you know why? Because you're intolerant of the "Mormon Mindset". You get frustrated when Mormons keep believing "all that crap". It irks you, doesn't it?