Thursday morning complaint about the MAD board

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I suggested she have him not read the Old Testament because the content would be inappropriate. My comment was deleted.

Deleted. Keep it on topic.

Now really. How much more ON topic could I have been?

Maybe if you would have removed the insult in your statement, the Mods wouldn't have deleted your comment. Perhaps removing mention of Morningstar and her kids would have helped. That made the insult a bit personal. If instead you said, "I have nothing against kids reading the Bible and the Old Testament has worse stuff", then it wouldn't have been deleted.

*Edit*: or maybe not--in light of Trinity's previous post.


By the way, anyone know the biblical eupehmism for "orgasm"? I know that "one flesh" and "know" both refer to intercourse. "Flesh" can refer to genitals, and "issue" can refer to semen. Perhaps if our kids ask what certain words mean, we could give the Biblical euphemism as a definition?

[_Yoda]

There is no point in responding over there. It is clear that Morningstar is the one that had problems with my mention of the Bible and its ugliness. Here is her rebuttal to others who have since brought it up:

[quote name='MorningStar' date='Sep 13 2007, 10:43 AM' post='1208260094']
The Bible is considered scripture and I don't want it to be a part of this discussion please.

There you have it folks. Selective righteous indignation. Her bright young son will pick up on that particular hypocritical thinking as he learns and grows farther outside her immediate proximity influence.

Wait...so...other people were allowed to bring up the Bible, but YOUR comment was deleted? Either favoritism abounds, or Dan G and the others feel asleep at their post. Hmmm...maybe Dan actually has a job.

[_skippy the dead]

Morningstar posted a thread about her frustration with the media and how she was openly fighting to make sure her 7 year old son is not being exposed to material that she deemed offensive. She spoke of magazines with words like sex and orgasm on the front of it. She spoke of required books of reading at the school. She spoke of movies.

I suggested she have him not read the Old Testament because the content would be inappropriate. My comment was deleted.

Deleted. Keep it on topic.

Now really. How much more ON topic could I have been?

The mods over there really do enjoy the bounties of a double standard, don't they?

And yet, thesometimesaint posts a very detailed post about the naughty stuff in the Bible, with no problems (although Morningstar is crying about its inclusion in the discussion, saying the Bible is scripture, and not a book, and shouldn't be part of the discussion).

Yup, another example of the arbitrary and capricious moderation, based more on who you are rather than what you say.

[_Trinity]

I posted mine late late last night, so I bet she reported it to the mod and they deleted it because it was her request. The mod likely hasn't gotten around to answering her other complaints by posters who also had the audacity to bring up the good point that the Bible itself is offensive..and probably more offensive than the Cosmopolitan she is yiping about.

But good points are clearly not a useful part of the discussion.

[_asbestosman]

While The Dude had plenty of criticizm of Morningstar, he also said of himself:

For myself, I do not wish for my children to see some movies or read some books because they are innocent and free right now. They don't need to see everything today. Someday they can see it through mature eyes -- I think there is a difference between them and me. Some children in this world see violence and worse as soon as they can comprehend the world; a flood of adult violence/sex/language/theme must have an sad effect on many them.

[_Runtu]

Wasn't MorningStar the one who came over here as a sockpuppet and spewed a lot of crude sexual and scatalogical stuff?

I was on another board where she had a sockpuppet that talked a lot about sex and diarrhea.

[_Sethbag]

Last night my daughter found a fortune cookie in the kitchen, and opened it up. She read the fortune and giggled a bit. I asked what was funny and she revealed to me this big secret that she knew because at school, during lunch they'd read their fortune cookies and then insert "in bed" at the end of it. She thought they'd invented it or something. I laughed pretty hard at that one and told her that everyone else in the world had been doing that for ages.

Then I thought hmm, should I be worried that my daughter's high-school friends (this was all girls) think it's funny to invoke sex this way? She's just turning 15, and I obviously don't want her actually having sex, but where should I draw the line and start worrying? I decided that there's only four years between right now and when she's going to be off in college and most of her friends and aquaintances will be having sex all the time (she's probably not going to BYU). Hell, for that matter, probably a good number of her friends will be having it while they're still in high school. She's not going to be ignorant of all of this. She's going to know about it, and there's nothing we can do about that, and even if we could, it probably wouldn't be smart to try. Somehow, between now and when she leaves our home, she'll be making the transition from fairly innocent and naïve, to full-aware adult, and trying to delay that as close to her 18th birthday as possible, as some Mormon parents seem to do, would be really, really stupid*.

In the end I decided that it's better if I don't fill her mind with the idea that sex is bad and evil, so that she has unhealthy attitudes about it later on she grows up. Also, I am very happy that my daughter respects me enough that she's willing to tell me things that are going on, which boys she likes, what she and her friends are up to, etc. I don't want to kill that off by acting oppressive, and drive her to keeping secrets from me and my wife. I'd rather know what's going on in her life than create a situation where I can henceforth never know what's really going on in her life.

*some of the more oppressive Mormon parents I've known have had kids grow up and go wild on them, and I view the level of "wild child" behavior, for the most part, as directly proportional to the level of Mormon nazism excercised in the home while the kids were growing up.

[_Scottie]

Idiot MAD mod's aside, I do think that MorningStar has a good point. The media keeps pushing the envelope on what is appropriate to display without regard to who might see it.

On television, the argument can be made to not watch the kind of programming that is offensive, or is likely to have offensive ads.

Same with radio. Don't like the content, change the station.

However, if I'm in line at a checkout counter, I think there should be some guidelines about what can be displayed there. I can't just turn off the magazines that are right there in my kids faces. And, sure, everything in it's time. My 7 year old doesn't need to know what oral sex is just yet. I almost need to make sure I time my kids naps for when I drive through Vegas because of the billboards there.

[_Yoda]

In the end I decided that it's better if I don't fill her mind with the idea that sex is bad and evil, so that she has unhealthy attitudes about it later on she grows up. Also, I am very happy that my daughter respects me enough that she's willing to tell me things that are going on, which boys she likes, what she and her friends are up to, etc. I don't want to kill that off by acting oppressive, and drive her to keeping secrets from me and my wife. I'd rather know what's going on in her life than create a situation where I can henceforth never know what's really going on in her life.

You're a good Dad. We try to do the same thing.

;)

[_skippy the dead]

Morningstar requested that the thread be shutdown. I guess all that silly discussion of the Bible made her sad.

I do think that discussion of the Old Testament in the context of the thread was valid, though. We often lament what our children are exposed to in today's evil world, but we often forget that it's really nothing new, dating back to the Bible (which was often the only thing that was read in a household) and continuing through the Brothers Grimm. Those fairytales have some pretty horrifying stuff in them if you read the original source (not the Disneyfied versions).