Do you still respect the titles?

[_Infymus]

I am sorry, but I guess where I was raised, you call someone by their title when showing respect to them, whether that is Dr., Mr., Father, or Bishop. Just because I am not Catholic, doesn't mean I refer to Father Byrd of the Blessed Mother Parrish of my hometown of Owensboro as Mr Byrd, or buddy, or dude... Again, I guess this is just a difference of cultures here. In the south, I hear titles passed around much more often than not.

Nephi, this has nothing to do with the Catholic Church. The question was whether or not as Ex-Mormons we respect the titles of Mormonism.

The answer is quite flatly NO. Absolutely NOT. I have no respect for the institution, its policies, its secret temple ceremonies, its clergy or its leaders. Not one ounce.

It is an institution started by a megalomaniac who married teenage girls, swindled money, threw his power around - and a whole lot more. It is an institution full of half-truths, created doctrine, white-washed history and a buried past. A corporation where the motto is, "I don't know that we teach that" and "Those were just little flecks of history" is common place. Shut up, obey, don't look at the skeletons in our closet - because if you do, well then you are just persecuting us!

No. It deserves no respect whatsoever, even if the Hinkster has paid millions of dollars to polish the corporate facade.

[_harmony]

I am sorry, but I guess where I was raised, you call someone by their title when showing respect to them, whether that is Dr., Mr., Father, or Bishop. Just because I am not Catholic, doesn't mean I refer to Father Byrd of the Blessed Mother Parrish of my hometown of Owensboro as Mr Byrd, or buddy, or dude... Again, I guess this is just a difference of cultures here. In the south, I hear titles passed around much more often than not.

Nephi, this has nothing to do with the Catholic Church. The question was whether or not as Ex-Mormons we respect the titles of Mormonism.

The answer is quite flatly NO. Absolutely NOT. I have no respect for the institution, its policies, its secret temple ceremonies, its clergy or its leaders. Not one ounce.

It is an institution started by a megalomaniac who married teenage girls, swindled money, threw his power around - and a whole lot more. It is an institution full of half-truths, created doctrine, white-washed history and a buried past. A corporation where the motto is, "I don't know that we teach that" and "Those were just little flecks of history" is common place. Shut up, obey, don't look at the skeletons in our closet - because if you do, well then you are just persecuting us!

No. It deserves no respect whatsoever, even if the Hinkster has paid millions of dollars to polish the corporate facade.

One man's opinion, and worth as much as any other man's opinion.

[_Polygamy Porter]

I am sorry, but I guess where I was raised, you call someone by their title when showing respect to them, whether that is Dr., Mr., Father, or Bishop. Just because I am not Catholic, doesn't mean I refer to Father Byrd of the Blessed Mother Parrish of my hometown of Owensboro as Mr Byrd, or buddy, or dude... Again, I guess this is just a difference of cultures here. In the south, I hear titles passed around much more often than not.

That's a good point, Nephi. I don't know any pastors, but if I did I would probably call them Father.

Big difference with real clergy.

They are required to attend school and earn a degree. The difference is they earned the title. When I am in their element, I do address them with the title that they earned.

Mormons leaders are not real clergy. None have attended any schooling for their pretend offices. They are pious pontificating premadonna posers.

[_karl61]

I am sorry, but I guess where I was raised, you call someone by their title when showing respect to them, whether that is Dr., Mr., Father, or Bishop. Just because I am not Catholic, doesn't mean I refer to Father Byrd of the Blessed Mother Parrish of my hometown of Owensboro as Mr Byrd, or buddy, or dude... Again, I guess this is just a difference of cultures here. In the south, I hear titles passed around much more often than not.

Nephi, this has nothing to do with the Catholic Church. The question was whether or not as Ex-Mormons we respect the titles of Mormonism.

The answer is quite flatly NO. Absolutely NOT. I have no respect for the institution, its policies, its secret temple ceremonies, its clergy or its leaders. Not one ounce.

It is an institution started by a megalomaniac who married teenage girls, swindled money, threw his power around - and a whole lot more. It is an institution full of half-truths, created doctrine, white-washed history and a buried past. A corporation where the motto is, "I don't know that we teach that" and "Those were just little flecks of history" is common place. Shut up, obey, don't look at
the skeletons in our closet - because if you do, well then you are just persecuting us!

No. It deserves no respect whatsoever, even if the Hinkster has paid millions of dollars to polish the corporate facade.

hits a bullseye:

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[_Jason Bourne]

Hell no.

Of course you don't. If you ever had a thing called civility you certainly lost it with your disaffection from the LDS Church.

They have no credentials, no schooling.

And this is relevant to their title in the LDS Church exactly how?

I felt immense joy watching the man across the bishop's desk shrink in horrifying realization that I no longer respected nor believed in his so called office of bishop as I handed him my two week notice on my frivolous "callings"

.

I highly doubt your bishop shrank in horror as a result of your disaffection. He may have been honestly concerned and worrried about you but nah, no horror. I know from experience that he likely dealt with far worse then your little departure and crumbling of faith. While perhaps sad for him he had other issues to deal with many of them far more difficult then your departure. Hate to burst your little bubble pal.

I savor that moment when the arrogant twinkle disappeared from his condescending eye.

Bwaaaaahahahhaha. This is ripe considering the source. Sure you were not reflecting your own self presumed importance.

It was sweet justice for me. I can only hope for such a feeling for all exiting exmos.

As the Areosmith song goes...Dream on..............

[_Jason Bourne]

Absolutely not. When I talk to the bishop of the Mormon ward I happen to live in, I call him by his first name.

Of course not. Another one. Anyone see a pattern here. I suggest you compare PP and Infyntus with say...Runtu.

I have absolutely no respect for any leaders in the cult of Mormonism. I give no credence to their self created titles.

Oh well goody for you. I hope is gives you great satisfaction.

Respect of a person is different than respect for the cult. There is no reason to treat neighbors who may be entrenched in Mormonism badly, it isn't their fault they have been carefully lead down the path of the cult with re-written doctrine, hidden history, whitewashed doctrine and a pay, pray, obey mentality. They are still human beings.

Blah, blah...blah, blah......blah, blah.......

I'd turn my back and ignore Gordy, Packer, or any of the other so-called Mormon "elites" - or royalty as I call them.

You are SOOOOOO BAD!!!!!

I work downtown Salt Lake and it drives me nuts when you can't get into a restaurant or some public place because some Mormon royalty is there.

Yea I bet it really pissed you off. Just sizzles ya.

He is always surrounded by his men in black who are speaking into their sleeves and touching their ear pieces, looking at you like you are scum. I watch them being driven around in their blackened out cars. Their drivers oftentimes disregarding traffic laws

Sucks to be you man!

[_Jason Bourne]

They are still human beings.

Hence why you should give them the respect all humans deserve.

Their drivers oftentimes disregarding traffic laws.

You follow them around all the time watching to see if they obey traffic laws? Otherwise, how do you know its oftentimes? Also, do they have police escorts with them when they do this, or is this just some limo driver that does this? What kind of traffic laws are you referring to?

Giving them the respect that all humans deserve doesn't mean calling them Bishop, President or Prophet.

I am sorry, but I guess where I was raised, you call someone by their title when showing respect to them, whether that is Dr., Mr., Father, or Bishop. Just because I am not Catholic, doesn't mean I refer to Father Byrd of the Blessed Mother Parrish of my hometown of Owensboro as Mr Byrd, or buddy, or dude... Again, I guess this is just a difference of cultures here. In the south, I hear titles passed around much more often than not.

I walk twice a day at work, a little over a mile each time. That route takes me around the Matican (temple square, et al). Traffic laws I refer to are often blowing red lights when they should have stopped, parking wherever they want and sometimes speeding. When you have walked two miles a day in downtown SLC for the last five years, you see a lot.

How do you know its them? I assume if its a limo that you are observing, then the window's are tinted. Could it not be some other VIP? Also, are the guests within the Limo at fault for the actions of the driver?

Well Nephi that is because you posess civility. PP and Infyntus are angry exmo's in and in many ways more possesses by the LDS Church that they claim to no longer be a part of then they were when they were active members. They need help. Pray for them.

[_Jason Bourne]

Big difference with real clergy.

No there is no difference. They are real clergy by the standards the Church they clergy for set for them.

They are required to attend school and earn a degree. The difference is they earned the title. When I am in their element, I do address them with the title that they earned.

So since I have a professional license I expect you to start using it when you address me.

Mormons leaders are not real clergy.

Yes they are.

None have attended any schooling for their pretend offices.

The LDS Church does not require schooling for their clergy. There was a time in Christendom that it was not required either. Not that I think schooling for clergy is a bad thing. But it is what the institution requires.

They are pious pontificating premadonna posers.

No dummy they are not. They are exactly what the Church requires for their clergy. So come now PP, be honest. You are such an angry fellow about the LDS Church. You would not give a title to those in office even if they had an education. Not at all.

[_truth dancer]

Personally.. the whole title thing speaks of something that feels uncomfortable (unholy), to me.

I think Kings, Queens, Prophets, Priests, CEOs Presidents, or whomever else has a title considered important, are all just regular people... not better than anyone else even if they have the "right" bloodline, the right privilege and position, or the right amount of money.

I do not think someone with a title deserves more or less respect/honor/power than anyone else...

:-)

~dancer~

[_Jason Bourne]

Personally.. the whole title thing speaks of something that feels uncomfortable (unholy), to me.

I think Kings, Queens, Prophets, Priests, CEOs Presidents, or whomever else has a title considered important, are all just regular people... not better than anyone else even if they have the "right" bloodline, the right privilege and position, or the right amount of money.

I do not think someone with a title deserves more or less respect/honor/power than anyone else...

:-)

~dancer~

Do you feel this way about an politician. Like addressing a Senator as "Honorable" or your local Mayor as such? Or your Doctor doctor? Would you not call a catholic priest Father, or a minister pastor? In our society we have cultural conventions of civility. It is quite simple. Of course our civility in the USA is on the decline. Dress, language, culture, movies, magazines and so on reflect this.