There is no free will in Mormonism

[_Infymus]

Ok, you guys win. You won't see any more replies from me on this one.

[_Mercury]

Ok, you guys win. You won't see any more replies from me on this one.

You are such a pushover. No wonder you let harmony wipe the floor with you. Grow some balls and defend the positions you (and I) espouse instead of acting like a douche.

[_Infymus]

You are such a pushover. No wonder you let harmony wipe the floor with you. Grow some balls and defend the positions you (and I) espouse instead of acting like a douche.

F*** you Merc. I didn't "give up" and nor did I let that fencing sitting **** Harmony win.

I am just letting you Mormons have your way. Have your POS the way you want.

Nice F***ing jab.

I'm starting to see more and more than this forum is haven for Mormons who really don't know where they sit nor where they are. Refugees from a forum that wont let you say what you want, you pile into here and expect people like me to accept your version of the gospel - however warped it may be.

So I didn't give up in any way. I just let the morons like you believe exactly what they want to believe.

Its just like the rest of you Mormons in here like Rcrocket and Wade, Nephi and the rest. You've made this place your little nest where you think you're making a difference and really, you're not doing jack s***. You are a bunch of jack Mormons who want to fence sit and F***ing pick your nose while sitting on the fence of Mormonsim. You don't want to go either way, you haven't got the balls, as Mercury says.

Either get your asses back to Mormon Church, or really study and find out why your religion is nothing more than a cult created by a guy who couldn't keep his cock in his pants.

Who are the real douche bags here? Me? Or those who really have no idea where they are.

{Moderator Note} Please do not use the "F" word in the Terrestrial Forum. Please consult the board rules. This is the second time in the last two days you have violated language issues. Thank you----Liz}

Then ban me Liz because I'd rather get kicked out then be involved with a bunch of fence sitting smug prick Mormons who haven't got a clue about their own cult.

[_Yoda]

Then ban me Liz because I'd rather get kicked out then be involved with a bunch of fence sitting smug prick Mormons who haven't got a clue about their own cult.

Are you saying that you refuse to abide by the broad-based board rules which Shades has established?

Frankly, you're the one being a rude prick if you refuse to do that.

I'm not going to ban you.

Like Merc said earlier...grow some balls and leave on your own accord if you really feel that way.

[_harmony]

Then ban me Liz because I'd rather get kicked out then be involved with a bunch of fence sitting smug prick Mormons who haven't got a clue about their own cult.

Are you saying that you refuse to abide by the broad-based board rules which Shades has established?

Frankly, you're the one being a rude prick if you refuse to do that.

I'm not going to ban you.

Like Merc said earlier...grow some balls and leave on your own accord if you really feel that way.

Actually, I'd rather see him figure out how to defend his position instead of throwing a temper tantrum. His debating skills need work. His passion isn't going to carry his argument here. He needs to solidify his passion into something worthwhile. Trevor/Julian Apostate has the concept down pat, but he lacks Infymus's passion. If Infymus could harnass the energy in his passion and tie it to a solid argument, he'd be more successful in this sort of forum. Even I can see the holes in my argument about "every knee shall bow", but Infymus never got that far. He immediately personalized the whole thingwhich lit his short fuse, and then it was a short hop to a temper tantrum from there.

The most effective critic I've ever seen is Addict. Infymus could learn at the feet of the master, were he so inclined.

[_Jason Bourne]

You are such a pushover. No wonder you let harmony wipe the floor with you. Grow some balls and defend the positions you (and I) espouse instead of acting like a douche.

F*** you Merc. I didn't "give up" and nor did I let that fencing sitting **** Harmony win.

I am just letting you Mormons have your way. Have your POS the way you want.

Nice F***ing jab.

I'm starting to see more and more than this forum is haven for Mormons who really don't know where they sit nor where they are. Refugees from a forum that wont let you say what you want, you pile into here and expect people like me to accept your version of the gospel - however warped it may be.

So I didn't give up in any way. I just let the morons like you believe exactly what they want to believe.

Its just like the rest of you Mormons in here like Rcrocket and Wade, Nephi and the rest. You've made this place your little nest where you think you're making a difference and really, you're not doing jack s***. You are a bunch of jack Mormons who want to fence sit and F***ing pick your nose while sitting on the fence of Mormonsim. You don't want to go either way, you haven't got the balls, as Mercury says.

Either get your asses back to Mormon Church, or really study and find out why your religion is nothing more than a cult created by a guy who couldn't keep his cock in his pants.

Who are the real douche bags here? Me? Or those who really have no idea where they are.

{Moderator Note} Please do not use the "F" word in the Terrestrial Forum. Please consult the board rules. This is the second time in the last two days you have violated language issues. Thank you----Liz}

Then ban me Liz because I'd rather get kicked out then be involved with a bunch of fence sitting smug prick Mormons who haven't got a clue about their own cult.

Oh well boooo hoooooo you big cry baby.

I tried to discuss this with you calmly and rationally, unlike your irrational rants. I tried to get on common ground to see how you defined free will in general, ignoring LDS views or God at all. But all you want to do is cry about it, swear and rant.

What a baby, Infantile is what you are. You need help.

[_asbestosman]

you pile into here and expect people like me to accept your version of the gospel - however warped it may be.

I don't expect you to accept anything. I actually don't care much one way or ther other what you do or don't accept. Sometimes I am entertained by your contributions and sometimes not. Sometimes I even learn a thing or two. Same goes for everyone.

So I didn't give up in any way. I just let the morons like you believe exactly what they want to believe.

That's actually what I assumed even if Merc didn't.

Its just like the rest of you Mormons in here like Rcrocket and Wade, Nephi and the rest. You've made this place your little nest where you think you're making a difference and really, you're not doing jack s***.

I well aware that I'm not changing Mormonism or anything like that. I'm here mostly for entertainment while also learning interesting tidbits such as what The Style Guy said concerning governmental confiscation of church property and public education.

You are a bunch of jack Mormons who want to fence sit and F***ing pick your nose while sitting on the fence of Mormonsim. You don't want to go either way, you haven't got the balls, as Mercury says.

Either get your asses back to Mormon Church, or really study and find out why your religion is nothing more than a cult created by a guy who couldn't keep his cock in his pants.

I am an active full-tithing member in good standing.

[_Doctor Steuss]

You are a bunch of jack Mormons who want to fence sit and F***ing pick your nose while sitting on the fence of Mormonsim. You don't want to go either way, you haven't got the balls, as Mercury says.

They might be small, but I wouldn't go as far as to say I don't have them at all.

by the way,
You are a doo-doo head that picks his butt.

Neener-neener.

[_wenglund]

Now, free will. Where do you currently have it in the way you want it? Free from consequences?

Good questions, Jason!

Seriously, Infymus....Why would you want a system in the afterlife that doesn't even exist here?

Isn't the whole point of your quest to find joy in THIS life, right now?

And, in THIS life, there are certainly consequences for your actions.

What do you find so wrong or distasteful about this concept?

Let me clarify...I'm not specifically talking about Mormon theology here...I'm talking about the concept of being responsible for your actions.

This isn't about actions and responsibilities, this is about how the Mormon God creates prisons to house those who disobey HIM. It seems to be lost on more of you and I'm starting to think it is just a little too complicated to discuss.

I don't know about it being too complicated, but you certainly come across as convoluted. If you don't think that "free-will" is tied to actions and responsibility, then you must have your own private definition of the term, and/or you must have some fragmented or alien perception of the decision-making process. Which is it?

If none of the above, then please answer Jason's question.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Yoda]

This isn't about actions and responsibilities, this is about how the Mormon God creates prisons to house those who disobey HIM. It seems to be lost on more of you and I'm starting to think it is just a little too complicated to discuss.

I don't think it's complicated at all. You don't agree with Mormon theology or the Mormon concept of God. It is repellent to you that the Mormon God would create a spirit prison for those who disobey Him.

I get it.

Let me ask you this. Do you believe in an afterlife? And, if you do, what is your perception of what that afterlife is, or what it should be like?