This is one of very few topics related to Mormonism that actually illicits a strong response from me. I'll try not to show it, but I give you no guarantees!
Nehor: Ummm, the idea that the worst suggestions in life come from those we trust and like and who even love us is not a new thing.
Jersey Girl: Do you consider that some of the worst suggestions in life come from those you trust and like and who even love you...are coming from your church?
Nehor: Yes, LDS are encouraged to marry as soon as they find an appropriate partner after the age of 18 for girls or after their Missions for guys. Talking about this being waiting is kinda odd. Only in the last couple centuries would that apply. Compared to most of history we marry late.
Jersey Girl: We don't live in "most of history" we live now, Nehor.
Nehor: Yet another example of how we can never fit with current cultural norms. Where in the past we adhered to the norms of that day the people of today expect that 'with modern Prophets' we should have known more or done things differently. When we're completely different we're looked on as odd for not fitting in.
Jersey Girl: People marrying and/or marrying at a very young age (history not withstanding) are nothing new. Our social services systems are fairly glutted with them. I am paying for their education, rehabilitation, child care, their food, housing, medical care, legal services and their therapy.
What is positive about encouraging an RM let's say age 21 and a young woman, let's say she's age 19 who:
1. Most likely never held down a job 2. Have no education beyond high school 3. Who hold no property 4. Who have no savings ($) 5. Who have probably not even learned how to buy a car...
to bring a human being into this world and being responsible for it when they haven't learned how to be responsible for themselves?
I will start there....
Maybe everything, maybe nothing. Maybe they should wait. Maybe not. Pray about it.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
beastie wrote:Has the church backed off this at all? Are kids still supposed to marry young and have kids immediately, without "selfishly" postponing childbearing for things like finishing your education?
Not as much as the SWK era but it is still there some. I know some friends in my ward are surprised that my daughter who is 25 and her hubby who is 29 and they have been married 5 years and have no kids, and these people think they should get busy. One women about 15 year older then us said "She needs to get with the program." But she just got a masters and may do a phd. She is active. She says the church does not emphasize this anymore but I think she is listening selectively. I am ok with whatever she decides. Not that she asks me that much and that is how it should be.
What is positive about encouraging an RM let's say age 21 and a young woman, let's say she's age 19 who:
1. Most likely never held down a job 2. Have no education beyond high school 3. Who hold no property 4. Who have no savings ($) 5. Who have probably not even learned how to buy a car...
to bring a human being into this world and being responsible for it when they haven't learned how to be responsible for themselves?
I will start there....
Well I went this route. And I know many who do. And i/we have been quite successful both in marriage, family and financially. I bet you would find that holds true.
Now that said it has been very hard ain many ways nd I do not know if I would want to do it that way again.
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
You went on a date to a devotional? That says a lot about the sorry state of affairs at BYU.
No kidding. In retrospect, it seems to me that Mormonism ages its young people early. It's almost as if they want them to instantly transform from child to responsible, middle aged, fuddy-duddy adult.
Yea I sure did. In fact I think only in the past five years have I learned to lighten up some and it is still hard to break some of these cultural attitudes I have.
Bond...James Bond wrote:The Japanese....I like them.
After what you told me, I'm sure you do!
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"