Seminary: bleary eyed brainwashing

[_why me]

Of course you guys missed my point. My implication is simple: It is not the problem with seminary. But it is the problem that our children have way too much on their plate these days. More work at school. More hobbies and busier lives. The pace of life as quickened not only for adults but also for children. In the past, it wasn't that way.

I suppose that the church should conform to a busier life problem and I think that it is trying to do just that. However, the point, is: children have so much on their schedule these days that seminary as become a burden and not a joy. When I was a young I had plenty of free time to experience the joys of life. No commitments except in high school and certainly school was not so stressful as it is now.

The problem is not seminary but modern life and the children's lack of free time. And I might add that sitting in front of a computer or a console playing the latest video game is not free time.

[_why me]

I don't think that seminary is the problem. The problem lies with the load that high school students now have in the school. And in the fact that students have too much on their plate in other areas of their life. Of course, seminary will need to suffer because to learn about god is just not as imortant as 'succeeding' in life. And yet, I cannot but think that our children need seminary and less of the other.

My daughter is in seminary and I had a talk with her about what she is learning. She told me a lot of interesting topics that she learned. She was very up on Joseph Smith and other aspects of church history. The LDS kids need seminary.

Good one Mr Jackmormon, do as you say and not as you do?

The Mormon church needs seminary more than the kids do. If the kids did not (as my son puts it) go to church every weekday morning, they would not retain many into adulthood. It is less about them learning and more about bonding them together in a us versus them cult mentality.


I grew up in Utah and we had that crap as release time. We called it semenary because it was called "release time" LOL

I remember the day I realized that non of us were part of the supposed "Chosen generation". I realized my own seminary teachers were told that 20 years ago.

It truly is indoctrination.

My kids enjoy and enjoyed seminary. They liked to be with their seminary friends. And yes, they were learning interesting things about Joseph Smith. They knew than I thought they knew. As my teenage daughter said: did you really think I didn't know that...pleeezzzze!

[_The Nehor]

Indoctrination?

Seminary and Institute was where I learned all the things the critics insist most 'Chapel Mormons' don't know. Joseph Smith's Polygamy we discussed for a whole week. The changes in the Book of Mormon and the D&C? Check, covered.

All these 'faithful' Saints who fell away when they found out all the secretive stuff the Church was hiding must have slept through it.

[_karl61]

being at seminary at 6am in southern california is a lot different than having it part of your school day in utah. it's a whole different plate. Big deal if it's part of your school day. Eating quickly, rushing to get to school and being tired through the school day sucked. again, "why me", what time did they go or are they going to seminary.

[_karl61]

Indoctrination?

Seminary and Institute was where I learned all the things the critics insist most 'Chapel Mormons' don't know. Joseph Smith's Polygamy we discussed for a whole week. The changes in the Book of Mormon and the D&C? Check, covered.

All these 'faithful' Saints who fell away when they found out all the secretive stuff the Church was hiding must have slept through it.

Seminary and Institute are completely different. Institute is tuesday night or monday and wednesday at 10 am, or what ever institute class is offered in between college classes.

[_The Nehor]

Indoctrination?

Seminary and Institute was where I learned all the things the critics insist most 'Chapel Mormons' don't know. Joseph Smith's Polygamy we discussed for a whole week. The changes in the Book of Mormon and the D&C? Check, covered.

All these 'faithful' Saints who fell away when they found out all the secretive stuff the Church was hiding must have slept through it.

Seminary and Institute are completely different. Institute is tuesday night or monday and wednesday at 10 am, or what ever institute class is offered in between college classes.

Okay, would it help if I said all the examples of what I learned came from Seminary?

[_Zoidberg]

Indoctrination?

Seminary and Institute was where I learned all the things the critics insist most 'Chapel Mormons' don't know. Joseph Smith's Polygamy we discussed for a whole week. The changes in the Book of Mormon and the D&C? Check, covered.

All these 'faithful' Saints who fell away when they found out all the secretive stuff the Church was hiding must have slept through it.

Having taught seminary myself and having been in possession of the teachers' manual (which I left in a different hemisphere, unfortunately, so I can't give you any direct quotes), I must say that not much time at all is intended to be devoted to things like polygamy and the "secretive" and non-faith-promoting stuff. In fact, there usually is a warning in the manuals that you shouldn't let things like that hijack your lesson. If you learned the things you say you've learned in seminary, I am convinced that you have your teacher(s) to thank for it, not the Church lesson plan.

[_Doctor Steuss]

On average, a teenager needs at least 8 hours of sleep. When you consider that some seminary students are operating motor vehicles while sleep deprived...that's kinda scary.

A couple of years ago in Vegas there was a horrible accident involving several teens in a car who were driving from seminary to school. the car was full of teens, several died. They were going over 80 miles an hour and the stupid kid driving had a student drivers license. People are dead because of a mixture of tardyness, inexperience, stupidity and probably sleep deprivation. One of the teens that survived lost a leg. Gaz, Steuss, do you remember any further details? I think they were cimmaron students.

Edit: found an article about the driver winding up dead later from her injuries. Tragic story.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2002/May-13-Mon-2002/news/18734323.html

The kids from the article you posted weren't LDS and were on their way back from lunch (I remember when this one happened though [on Sahara right before you hit the Shell station around Sloan]). There were a few kinds though back in '99-'00 that died on Wyoming on their way to school from seminary. They were going about 40 (it's 25 speed limit ["state streets"]) and hit a tree in someone's front yard (right before Wyoming meets Marion).

[_why me]

Indoctrination?

Seminary and Institute was where I learned all the things the critics insist most 'Chapel Mormons' don't know. Joseph Smith's Polygamy we discussed for a whole week. The changes in the Book of Mormon and the D&C? Check, covered.

All these 'faithful' Saints who fell away when they found out all the secretive stuff the Church was hiding must have slept through it.

This is confirmed by my daughter. After our conversation I had a similiar feeling that he exers may not be on the up and up about it all. My daughter knew all about Emma and her anger etc. It seems that they spend some time on it all. The exers must have been sleeping or they joined at a later age. One cannot actually claim victim in all this.

[_Runtu]

Indoctrination?

Seminary and Institute was where I learned all the things the critics insist most 'Chapel Mormons' don't know. Joseph Smith's Polygamy we discussed for a whole week. The changes in the Book of Mormon and the D&C? Check, covered.

All these 'faithful' Saints who fell away when they found out all the secretive stuff the Church was hiding must have slept through it.

This is confirmed by my daughter. After our conversation I had a similiar feeling that he exers may not be on the up and up about it all. My daughter knew all about Emma and her anger etc. It seems that they spend some time on it all. The exers must have been sleeping or they joined at a later age. One cannot actually claim victim in all this.

So they covered polyandry in seminary? The problems with the Book of Abraham? The textual anachronisms in the Book of Abraham?

Dang, my seminary teachers sucked.