Profound insights from MAD on Gay Marriage

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I find it interesting that the church of Joseph Smith has become so outspoken in its support of traditional monogomous marriage. Could it be they are overcompensating in an attempt to make ammends for their polygamous past?


Maybe.

What's funny is that, at least back east where I live, EV who are adamantly against gay marriage often say that it would open the door to polygamy, too. hee hee

Of course, I have considered that - along with their prejudice against gays - could be one reason the church is so opposed to it. Now that its goal is to become mainstream, the last thing the leaders would want is legalized polygamy, because it could lead to all sorts of awkward questions.
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Is Daniel still around? Wasn't he the resident MAD gay guy?
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I'm reading/writing this sitting at the end of the driveway at my parents house. Its the only place I can pick up wireless for my laptop (yay NETGEAR whoever/whatever you are). Its also threatening to rain.

so I don't know how much I can add to this right now except to say that very little makes me as absolutely ill as rightwing garbage about "gay marriage."

Frankly, I don't know my anyone would want to be married. But if anyone wants to they should have the same right as anyone else. I wish it were a strictly cultural institution (religious for those who want it to be) and not the political one that it currently is (of course disentangling the political and the cultural is impossible in the last instance, I just mean in terms of daily practice). I would rather not be married--never wanted it, don't hold with the patriarchal/bourgeois baggage that goes with it. Yet it is the only way to secure access to medcial and health benefits. So I am married because my lover/friend/comrade/helpmeet/partner etc and I care enough about each other's basic human survival to go against our principles on this one. Lovely nation we live in, huh?

It is now raining and thus you are all spared from a lecture on what I think of monogamy.
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Scottie wrote:Is Daniel still around? Wasn't he the resident MAD gay guy?

Yes, he was still involved in many of those threads.
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Blixa wrote:So I am married because my lover/friend/comrade/helpmeet/partner etc and I care enough about each other's basic human survival to go against our principles on this one. Lovely nation we live in, huh?


Are you saying you're in favor of socialized medicine?
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Re: Profound insights from MAD on Gay Marriage

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Gadianton wrote:Imagine, if Fred and Bob, instead of, in their hurt and confusion running off to the courthouse to go out and show the world that they are people too, with no support whatsoever, imagine if Fred and Bob's parents gave them a ceremony, a cake, and encouragement and advice throughout their relationship. Imagine if somehow family and friends could legitimately accept their relationship. Wouldn't they have quite a bit more chance at a commited, long-term, and monogamous life together?


Definitely.

In my family and group of close friends, there have been three instances where a traditional marriage almost fell apart, but was saved largely due to support and encouragment from parents who believed in the relationship. I have a good friend who is a lesbian, and according to her, the main reason gay relationships are so risky is because parents, siblings and even homosexual friends do not view the gay relationship as fully legitimate. The support network just isn't there like it is for married heterosexual couples. And, gays do not have their parents to serve as clear role models (heh, with so many divorced parents I guess lots of heteros don't have their parents to serve as marriage role models, either). If the law recognized gay marriage this would be some help, I guess, maybe. Some people's views would change a little bit. At least it would create legal hurtles for married gays... not sure that's a completely good thing, though (like Gad said).

If I was gay, I'm not sure I would want to get married. I would be far more interested in having my parents and siblings accept my partner and find value in my long term relationship. Hopefully they wouldn't need a legal contract to open their hearts.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Blixa wrote:So I am married because my lover/friend/comrade/helpmeet/partner etc and I care enough about each other's basic human survival to go against our principles on this one. Lovely nation we live in, huh?


Are you saying you're in favor of socialized medicine?


duh. access to medical care should be a basic human right.
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Post by _Ren »

Blixa wrote:duh. access to medical care should be a basic human right.

Are you an American?!
...you talk funny...
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RenegadeOfPhunk wrote:
Blixa wrote:duh. access to medical care should be a basic human right.

Are you an American?!
...you talk funny...


LOL!
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RenegadeOfPhunk wrote:
Blixa wrote:duh. access to medical care should be a basic human right.

Are you an American?!
...you talk funny...


sadly, yes. funny thing is just about the only way I can get a job outside of the US is by marketing myself as an "american studies" scholar...which is pretty much what I'm working on doing...
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