The important thing, Jason, is that you are comfortable with your position in Mormonism and that your conscience is clear. If you feel unsettled, then it's up to you to make the changes you need to satisfy your own integrity. If you are happy where you are, then I am happy for you. But I couldn't care less about Bushman. Just because he's comfortable shouldn't have any bearing on how you feel about Mormonism. You seem like an intelligent man who is capable of determining your own course and don't need him to justify any of your decisions. That's not a slam on you at all; rather it's a compliment. I hope you take it as such.
Thank you
And I can tell you I have never felt more settled about life as I do now. I have come to a great place as far as my own faith, my world view and so on. It may change over time but I feel very happy about things.
Jason Bourne wrote:I am not a non believer. I am a I am not sure what is up with the Church originations but it sure ain't the way they taught me. I hold to faith though.
Well said. I tend to view myself the same way.
That said, my wife knows where I am.
So does mine.
My bishop knows and my SP knows.
So do mine.
I have talked to three or four of my closest LDS friends.
I have as well.
So because I post anonymously on a board about these things I will burn in hell. I do hope Bob is a more compassionate bishop then he seem here.
I tend to doubt it. Under his "liberal" veneer, he seems pretty hardcore.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
rcrocket wrote:Oh I see. It is OK to live one's life one way to one's friends, and another way on-line publicly. I could be mistaken, and hopefully I am not overstating things, but that kind of person will burn in hell.
I hope, for your sake, that the way you learn not to be such a self-righteous jackass does not hurt nearly as much as the fate you wish on others. What a singular lack of human compassion you have! And, if these are the fruits of your religion, then I am all the happier for no longer associating with other Mormons.
Trevor wrote:I hope, for your sake, that the way you learn not to be such a self-righteous jackass does not hurt nearly as much as the fate you wish on others. What a singular lack of human compassion you have! And, if these are the fruits of your religion, then I am all the happier for no longer associating with other Mormons.
Bishop or no, don't use Bob as an example of the "fruits" of LDS members, many of whom sincerely try and follow Christ's example. Bob's cross to bear, I guess.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
Rollo Tomasi wrote:Bishop or no, don't use Bob as an example of the "fruits" of LDS members, many of whom sincerely try and follow Christ's example. Bob's cross to bear, I guess.
I suppose so, Rollo, but often the most heard and most strident LDS voices sound a lot like Bob's. This definitely factored into my decision not to continue.
At some point I looked around my ward and asked myself, "who is it here that I admire and really want to become like?," and, "who do I really like to or would like to hang out with?" The answer was almost no one. It was the recognition that these were not my people that, as much as any other factor, motivated me to open the door, walk out, and not return.
When I read Bob's posts, this memory comes back quite vividly.
Oh I see. It is OK to live one's life one way to one's friends, and another way on-line publicly. I could be mistaken, and hopefully I am not overstating things, but that kind of person will burn in hell.
You are mistaken. I know this is your pet peeve. Get over it. This is a teeny tiny message board. In the big scheme of life it has little to do with much of anything. It is a place for some to vent. That is it. You monotone is getting old and shows that you have little substance to offer. As I have told you before, your monolithic Mormonsim is just that. Yours. Fortunately not everyone who has sway in the Church is as rigid about such things as you seem to be.
I didn't tell you that you would burn in hell. I said that Guy would, and at least he could tell I was pulling his leg.
A thick skin and a sense of humor are two things almost completely lacking on this Board. Get away from your screen and live life to the fullest.
rcrocket wrote:I didn't tell you that you would burn in hell. I said that Guy would, and at least he could tell I was pulling his leg.
A thick skin and a sense of humor are two things almost completely lacking on this Board. Get away from your screen and live life to the fullest.
rcrocket
I don't think I could live life to the fullest if I missed out on your posts. You make every day worth living. :)
I worry about you, my brother. Over 3000 posts. Don't you think that those posts would be better spent sending them to the poor in India or China? At least, here I am trying to convert the deconverted, reform the rebellious, and bring all back to repentence. You? Aimless, shiftless posting to the humorless. OMGsh. What the heck, as they say in your home state around Lehi.
rcrocket wrote:I worry about you, my brother. Over 3000 posts. Don't you think that those posts would be better spent sending them to the poor in India or China? At least, here I am trying to convert the deconverted, reform the rebellious, and bring all back to repentence. You? Aimless, shiftless posting to the humorless. OMGsh. What the heck, as they say in your home state around Lehi.
There's a Lehi, California? I had no idea.
I send a portion of my posts to a charity in Bangladesh each week. It's not much, but it's the best I can do.